Why XBL is a rip-off

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="primetime2121"]

get a job...$50 a year is nothing 

Game13a13y

by your logic $50 a year means nothing to M$ too, then why are they making you lemmings pay?

*shakes head*

That doesn't make sense either. To a single gamer it's only $50, and in my opinion thats not a big deal. However, to MS it's $50 per gamer, meaning they get around $300,000,000 in subscriptions alone. To you these are similar, in reality I doubt anyone would consider $50 and $300,000,000 equivalent. :|

What fanboy am I again you still haven't answered that? It could be entertaining so I'm interested.

so you are justifying M$ making you pay for XBL is a good thing because they saw how much money they can make off of gamers?

you have to ask yourself this question, not me.

I didn't say anything about MS making money as a good or bad thing. I'm pointing out you're flawed logic, in the comparison of someone paying $50 to that of someone making $50 per person paying. They're not equal by any means as you tried to make it sound. :|

Again what fanboy am I, you're the one who pointed it out. Please go on.

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.  

again, you guys are already convinced that i'm anti-xbox and thus making whatever i said as a fanboy bashing. again and again.

i would get the Xbox360 too if things are rite. i don't hate it like it raped my a$$ when i was three. i used to dislike Sony too, and think they copied off Nintendo and stuff. but i'm convinced PS 3 is better than Wii after some thoughts.

again, i'm not a fanboy of Sony, whoever said something bad about Xbox 360 is an automatic Sony fanboy?

Game13a13y

You can cry you're not anti-xbox all you want, spud, but this thread's existence proves otherwise.

You claim PSN is better even though it's still a convoluted mess (and almost every online gaming news site, including this one, agree).

You claim HOME is gonna be this awesome online gaming experience even though you know as much about it as anyone else how this will be so (e.g.: not very much).

You even claim Wii's online is better even though there is not one single game (and I mean NOT ONE) you can play online for it right now.

So knowing all this, how can one NOT conclude you only bashing XBL because you don't like Xbox?

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.  

Thompsonwhore

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="primetime2121"]

get a job...$50 a year is nothing 

-RPGamer-

by your logic $50 a year means nothing to M$ too, then why are they making you lemmings pay?

*shakes head*

That doesn't make sense either. To a single gamer it's only $50, and in my opinion thats not a big deal. However, to MS it's $50 per gamer, meaning they get around $300,000,000 in subscriptions alone. To you these are similar, in reality I doubt anyone would consider $50 and $300,000,000 equivalent. :|

What fanboy am I again you still haven't answered that? It could be entertaining so I'm interested.

so you are justifying M$ making you pay for XBL is a good thing because they saw how much money they can make off of gamers?

you have to ask yourself this question, not me.

I didn't say anything about MS making money as a good or bad thing. I'm pointing out you're flawed logic, in the comparison of someone paying $50 to that of someone making $50 per person paying. They're not equal by any means as you tried to make it sound. :|

Again what fanboy am I, you're the one who pointed it out. Please go on.

nope, its the same comparison. if $50 doesn't matter to me, then why does it matter to M$?

you were saying its because they can make alot of money from it.

and again, so thats why its justifyable to pay? i can make alot of money off selling crack, so its okay to sell crack?  (again, the point is not about selling crack, for some of you always take my point out of context)

and when did i point out/call you a fanboy? its because you guys are asuming i am, and i just wanted to clarify that.

LIVE for WINDOWS is going to be free with online play. I don't really care about those useless features that comes with gold membership. Perhaps RE5 and GTA will force me to re-subscribe again.

 

nope, its the same comparison. if $50 doesn't matter to me, then why does it matter to M$?

you were saying its because they can make alot of money from it.

and again, so thats why its justifyable to pay? i can make alot of money off selling crack, so its okay to sell crack?  (again, the point is not about selling crack, for some of you always take my point out of context)

and when did i point out/call you a fanboy? its because you guys are asuming i am, and i just wanted to clarify that.

 

Game13a13y

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.

HuusAsking

Sure doesn´t seem like their doing that much, Home seems to be a much bigger and better investment and it´s free. 

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.

HuusAsking

I know because Halo 3 and Gears of War are both P2P. If Microsoft won't even give dedicated servers to their biggest franchise, do you really think they're investing the money back in to their service? And you're right, they can't play it anymore because their servers were taken away. If Sony were to charge for the PS2 online service, they probably could've kept those servers up.

However, Microsoft actually is charging you for their service, and no dedicated servers so far.

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

again, you guys are already convinced that i'm anti-xbox and thus making whatever i said as a fanboy bashing. again and again.

i would get the Xbox360 too if things are rite. i don't hate it like it raped my a$$ when i was three. i used to dislike Sony too, and think they copied off Nintendo and stuff. but i'm convinced PS 3 is better than Wii after some thoughts.

again, i'm not a fanboy of Sony, whoever said something bad about Xbox 360 is an automatic Sony fanboy?

Yellow_Rose

You can cry you're not anti-xbox all you want, spud, but this thread's existence proves otherwise.

You claim PSN is better even though it's still a convoluted mess (and almost every online gaming news site, including this one, agree).

You claim HOME is gonna be this awesome online gaming experience even though you know as much about it as anyone else how this will be so (e.g.: not very much).

You even claim Wii's online is better even though there is not one single game (and I mean NOT ONE) you can play online for it right now.

So knowing all this, how can one NOT conclude you only bashing XBL because you don't like Xbox?

hm.. ok... let me clarify something abit.

i don't hate Xbox 360, just that i don't like M$ because of other reasons. and me disliking M$ might give you an impression of me hating Xbox 360.

but actually no, i don't. i like to play games like Dead Raising, Lost Planet, Mass Effect, Too Humane, and other good stuffs. the reason why i don't buy it because M$ made some bad decisions on making the 360 hardware. and XBL fees too.

i never once bashed the games on 360. yep never.

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.  

Thompsonwhore

How's that MGS3 online gaming working for you?

Oh wait....that's right....they shut down those servers because there aren't enough people playing to justify the cost for keeping those servers up.

That's the possible fate of every PS3 online game.  Whereas if I wanted to play "Whacked" online, even if only 10 people still play that game, those 10 people can still have fun.

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.

Yellow_Rose

How's that MGS3 online gaming working for you?

Oh wait....that's right....they shut down those servers because there aren't enough people playing to justify the cost for keeping those servers up.

That's the possible fate of every PS3 online game. Whereas if I wanted to play "Whacked" online, even if only 10 people still play that game, those 10 people can still have fun.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.

Thompsonwhore

I know because Halo 3 and Gears of War are both P2P. If Microsoft won't even give dedicated servers to their biggest franchise, do you really think they're investing the money back in to their service? And you're right, they can't play it anymore because their servers were taken away. If Sony were to charge for the PS2 online service, they probably could've kept those servers up.

However, Microsoft actually is charging you for their service, and no dedicated servers so far.

I direct you to my last post...

I find it hard to call something that cost around 14cents a day a "rip-off". So far I haven't had any issues with the service for what it costs.-RPGamer-

When you can get everything that the service provides for free, that 14 cents is just overcharging.

Put it this way: if you could get cars for free, would you still want to pay $30,000 for a car you'd use for 10 years? After all, that's only $8 a day!

Why pay for something when you can get the same and/or better service from multiple free services? 

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="skullkrusher13"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="skullkrusher13"]

In a nutshell, this is how TC has been owned:

"Not Worth It" and "Best" are evaluative terms (i.e. NOT FACTUAL)

makingmusic476

its not worth it because its not the best. is it how you think what i'm trying to say?

actually its the other way around. its not best, so its not worth it. (while the other choices are free and better).

Failure defined. Better = An evaluative term. You sir have produced quiet the festival of self ownage in this thread.

evaluative term? so a BMW is better than a Toyota is an evaluative use of the term?

its fact right?

Of course it's not fact. "Better" is a relative term.

Are the other services better just because they're free? No way. The cost of XBL is well worth it, feature for feature, to all of its subscribers.

its not a relative term in the case i'm using here.

for example, jimmy scored 60 on his history test while tom scored 90. 90 = A, 60 = F, and A is better than F. fact.

i'm talking about PC online, (and soon to be PS 3 Home). PC online is better. fact.

Sorry... it IS a relative term.  Many, including myself, prefer playing online through a console for the same reasons people like playing on consoles in general.  Put a brand new game in the disc tray and begin playing within 2 minutes.

And why, exactly will PS3 home be better than XBL?  List your features and services.  I'll list the ones for XBL. 

You can play games while still being in Home.

You can enter a game seamlessly from Home.

Get together with friends in Home (meet up at a certain friend's home, it can be done instantaneously) and then enter a private game together (though you can enter the game from whereever, as long as y'all are together).

Stream movies across the internet (ie, you play a movie on your ps3, and other people can come to your Home and watch it)

Various arcade features which were shown in the vid in the OP

Trophies, similar to XBL acheivements

Devs can create their own Home space, where you can go to preview tha latest games they're working on, get wallpapers, etc.

Bunch of other crap, but i covered the gist of it

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.

Eddie-Vedder

Sure doesn´t seem like their doing that much, Home seems to be a much bigger and better investment and it´s free.

See my previous post in this thread. 

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I find it hard to call something that cost around 14cents a day a "rip-off". So far I haven't had any issues with the service for what it costs.AcidTWister

When you can get everything that the service provides for free, that 14 cents is just overcharging.

Put it this way: if you could get cars for free, would you still want to pay $30,000 for a car you'd use for 10 years? After all, that's only $8 a day!

Why pay for something when you can get the same and/or better service from multiple free services?

Tell me this when I can talk to my friends who are playing different games and send them invites. 

truth is:

if MS succeeds with this console (the way they intend to anyway), and with XBL, they will eventually charge even PC gamers to play online...

and probably, once they stabilize the service against competitors' (like PSN and Home), they will increase the annual price...

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

Not all of HOme's features are known, and it depends primarily on the developer integrating those features into the game, but here's what i know so far...

You can play games while still being in Home. XBL dashboard features are available at any time with the simple press of the Guide button from any game or while you're doing anything on the 360

You can enter a game seamlessly from Home. You can enter a game from XBL also.

Get together with friends in Home (meet up at a certain friend's home, it can be done instantaneously) and then enter a
private game together (though you can enter the game from whereever, as long as y'all are together). XBL has true cross game invite functionality. No matter what you or your friends are playing, you can send an invite. Friends will be brought straight into your session.

Stream movies across the internet (ie, you play a movie on your ps3, and other people can come to your Home and watch it). Now this is something that XBL doesn't have.

Various arcade features which were shown in the vid in the OP

Trophies, similar to XBL acheivements... check

Devs can create their own Home space, where you can go to preview tha latest games they're working on, get wallpapers, etc. Not sure what the benefit here is. Threre's space for whatever a dev or publisher wants to put on there.

Bunch of other crap, but i covered the gist of it

VoodooHak

Here's some extra stuff for XBL:

• Gamercard displays achievements from within the dashboard, but are also viewable from within any game and from the internet by going to Xbox.com or from any of the several gamercard sites (see Community Developer Program below)
• Infrastructure that allows the community to self-govern:
  • Gamer zone
  • Rep
  • Prefer/avoid
  • Feedback
• Acvite monitoring of feedback
• Matchmaking that takes that all into account
• Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's session
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• Connectivity to the web. I like being able to log into my account on xbox.com to check my messages and see what my friends are up to.
• MS has resources whose job is to specifically connect with the community. Major Nelson, Trixie... and the support they give to fan sites
• A good amount of movies and TV shows available for download in both standard and HD resolutions.

Quoted for those that say that "PSN with Home does everything XBL does."

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

again, you guys are already convinced that i'm anti-xbox and thus making whatever i said as a fanboy bashing. again and again.

i would get the Xbox360 too if things are rite. i don't hate it like it raped my a$$ when i was three. i used to dislike Sony too, and think they copied off Nintendo and stuff. but i'm convinced PS 3 is better than Wii after some thoughts.

again, i'm not a fanboy of Sony, whoever said something bad about Xbox 360 is an automatic Sony fanboy?

Game13a13y

You can cry you're not anti-xbox all you want, spud, but this thread's existence proves otherwise.

You claim PSN is better even though it's still a convoluted mess (and almost every online gaming news site, including this one, agree).

You claim HOME is gonna be this awesome online gaming experience even though you know as much about it as anyone else how this will be so (e.g.: not very much).

You even claim Wii's online is better even though there is not one single game (and I mean NOT ONE) you can play online for it right now.

So knowing all this, how can one NOT conclude you only bashing XBL because you don't like Xbox?

hm.. ok... let me clarify something abit.

i don't hate Xbox 360, just that i don't like M$ because of other reasons. and me disliking M$ might give you an impression of me hating Xbox 360.

but actually no, i don't. i like to play games like Dead Raising, Lost Planet, Mass Effect, Too Humane, and other good stuffs. the reason why i don't buy it because M$ made some bad decisions on making the 360 hardware. and XBL fees too.

i never once bashed the games on 360. yep never.

oh wait, may be Halo.. LOL, but thats because its overrated comparing to PC FPS.

many lemmings claimed XBL is a wonderful service and it is the best online experience like there's nothing before it.

well, hello?! XBL costs you $50 a year, so it SUPPOSED to be better than PC, Wii, and PS 3 online. its a automatica given. something that costs you should be better than something you got for free.

but guess what? PC online >>>>>> XBL

and i don't need to state the obvious reasons rite? and sooner or later, Home will come out to match with XBL.

this video should speak for itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVndZg7-aM

and if you still don't think XBL is a rip-off, i offer you another reason.

some of you lemmings claimed, "bu.. bu... $50 a year just means $4.17 a month, its cheap!!11!"

well, do you guys know that you can also get a laptop for $20 a month too? so lets do the math, after 4,5 years, you'll get a laptop had you paid $20 a month to a computer company, while you got uh...uh... nothing from XBL except some enjoyment which is offered free elsewhere (PC, Wii, and PS3).

 

Game13a13y

i love when people do imaginary math its sooo funny so xbox live=4 buks a month= laptopfor 20 buks amonth wtf lol and last time i checked people on average pay the full price for their computer when they buy itGen007

its called credit. think many people buying a house or a car by paying everything all at once?

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="primetime2121"]

get a job...$50 a year is nothing 

Game13a13y

by your logic $50 a year means nothing to M$ too, then why are they making you lemmings pay?

*shakes head*

That doesn't make sense either. To a single gamer it's only $50, and in my opinion thats not a big deal. However, to MS it's $50 per gamer, meaning they get around $300,000,000 in subscriptions alone. To you these are similar, in reality I doubt anyone would consider $50 and $300,000,000 equivalent. :|

What fanboy am I again you still haven't answered that? It could be entertaining so I'm interested.

so you are justifying M$ making you pay for XBL is a good thing because they saw how much money they can make off of gamers?

you have to ask yourself this question, not me.

I didn't say anything about MS making money as a good or bad thing. I'm pointing out you're flawed logic, in the comparison of someone paying $50 to that of someone making $50 per person paying. They're not equal by any means as you tried to make it sound. :|

Again what fanboy am I, you're the one who pointed it out. Please go on.

nope, its the same comparison. if $50 doesn't matter to me, then why does it matter to M$?

you were saying its because they can make alot of money from it.

and again, so thats why its justifyable to pay? i can make alot of money off selling crack, so its okay to sell crack?  (again, the point is not about selling crack, for some of you always take my point out of context)

and when did i point out/call you a fanboy? its because you guys are asuming i am, and i just wanted to clarify that.

Holy crap, b/c it's per person. To you it's one small amount to them it's a small amount times a large amount of people. It's not hard to understand, don't make it out like it is. :|

I was saying it for exactly the reason I said before, your flawed logic.

I didn't say anything about it being the reason to pay or anything, that's you making up your own conversation with yourself there. :|

Few pages back, go look, it's your own statements, and I shouldn't have to remember for you.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]I find it hard to call something that cost around 14cents a day a "rip-off". So far I haven't had any issues with the service for what it costs.AcidTWister

When you can get everything that the service provides for free, that 14 cents is just overcharging.

Put it this way: if you could get cars for free, would you still want to pay $30,000 for a car you'd use for 10 years? After all, that's only $8 a day!

Why pay for something when you can get the same and/or better service from multiple free services? 

I didn't put down any of the other services free or not. $0.14 a day is not equivalent to $8 a day. It's relative at this point. I probably walk past 14 cents in any given day at work, I do not in turn walk by $8 dollars.

go figure.  I like Xbox Live more than PC gaming.  I think it's the homogeneity in the experience (everyone with a headset, everyone with the same equipment) that I appreciate.  there are some things that could be better, but until a service has all the features that make Live stand out as the best today in a single, neat package, I'll continue to say that XBL is the best.

For now. 

[QUOTE="Gen007"]i love when people do imaginary math its sooo funny so xbox live=4 buks a month= laptopfor 20 buks amonth wtf lol and last time i checked people on average pay the full price for their computer when they buy itGame13a13y

its called credit. think many people buying a house or a car by paying everything all at once?

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

and i don't need to state the obvious reasons rite? and sooner or later, Home will come out to match with XBL.

Yellow_Rose

Thank you! Wow, all i got in home was a virtual instant messenger that will take me away from my games. Nah, i rather go play the sims.

And exactly how will HOME improve the online gaming experience?

Thompsonwhore

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.

Yellow_Rose

How's that MGS3 online gaming working for you?

Oh wait....that's right....they shut down those servers because there aren't enough people playing to justify the cost for keeping those servers up.

That's the possible fate of every PS3 online game. Whereas if I wanted to play "Whacked" online, even if only 10 people still play that game, those 10 people can still have fun.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

I'm amazed people are actually defending Microsoft in making them pay.

Are you guys saying you would rather pay than not pay to play with your friends? It's not like they're reinvesting the money back into XBL or giving you guys dedicated servers.

Thompsonwhore

I know because Halo 3 and Gears of War are both P2P. If Microsoft won't even give dedicated servers to their biggest franchise, do you really think they're investing the money back in to their service? And you're right, they can't play it anymore because their servers were taken away. If Sony were to charge for the PS2 online service, they probably could've kept those servers up.

However, Microsoft actually is charging you for their service, and no dedicated servers so far.

I direct you to my last post...

So what I gather from this thread is that XBL is in fact not a rip-off, the TC just doesn't like paying for it.  He even admits it is a good service.  I'm glad free PC online is so great but no amount of free PC online lets me play my PGR3, Gears or Halo 3 beta, and $50/year isn't exactly breaking the bank.  Naturally I would prefer free but considering how stable, well integrated and how many great features Live has I can't say I feel the least bit ripped off.

Of course XBL is a ripoff, it came from Microsoft.

Microsoft is a company whose main selling point is an operating system that is required in ALL computers that are sold. Unless you buy a Mac or build your own computer using linux.

They used that tactic to design a game system thats MAIN FOCUS IS ONLINE and then they used that to capitalize on it and make money.

Its funny that millions of people will pay money for a service on a game system for something that has been free on computers for a couple decades.

Not only that but Microsoft then tells game developers like the Gears of War developer that they can't just give away free content they need to charge money for it to get customers used to the idea of paying for stuff instead of getting it free. If you don't believe me look it up and you will find articles on it.

In turn there are other companies following Microsofts suit and using tactics such as locking out extra content and then charging for it as a download when its already on the disc. "elder scrolls horse armor anyone"

The worst thing about this is the fact that us consumers are letting Microsoft get away with this. This is now leading other companies to do this.

Sony too is working out a way to make money off their online and soon that is all we the consumers will see in the future.

There will be no free online gaming if we continue to let this happen. People need to show Microsoft that they wont put up with this crap so it doesn't set what the future of gaming will be. A cost driven gaming world where nothing is free including playing other people where on PC gaming it has been free for decades it may not be that way in the future.

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="primetime2121"]

get a job...$50 a year is nothing 

-RPGamer-

by your logic $50 a year means nothing to M$ too, then why are they making you lemmings pay?

*shakes head*

That doesn't make sense either. To a single gamer it's only $50, and in my opinion thats not a big deal. However, to MS it's $50 per gamer, meaning they get around $300,000,000 in subscriptions alone. To you these are similar, in reality I doubt anyone would consider $50 and $300,000,000 equivalent. :|

What fanboy am I again you still haven't answered that? It could be entertaining so I'm interested.

so you are justifying M$ making you pay for XBL is a good thing because they saw how much money they can make off of gamers?

you have to ask yourself this question, not me.

I didn't say anything about MS making money as a good or bad thing. I'm pointing out you're flawed logic, in the comparison of someone paying $50 to that of someone making $50 per person paying. They're not equal by any means as you tried to make it sound. :|

Again what fanboy am I, you're the one who pointed it out. Please go on.

nope, its the same comparison. if $50 doesn't matter to me, then why does it matter to M$?

you were saying its because they can make alot of money from it.

and again, so thats why its justifyable to pay? i can make alot of money off selling crack, so its okay to sell crack?  (again, the point is not about selling crack, for some of you always take my point out of context)

and when did i point out/call you a fanboy? its because you guys are asuming i am, and i just wanted to clarify that.

Holy crap, b/c it's per person. To you it's one small amount to them it's a small amount times a large amount of people. It's not hard to understand, don't make it out like it is. :|

I was saying it for exactly the reason I said before, your flawed logic.

I didn't say anything about it being the reason to pay or anything, that's you making up your own conversation with yourself there. :|

Few pages back, go look, it's your own statements, and I shouldn't have to remember for you.

yea, and so i was saying, because the matter they made on XBL is huge, so its alright for you guys to pay?

that logic sounds more flawed then mine.

*edit* opps, i meant "money" not "matter"

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="primetime2121"]

get a job...$50 a year is nothing 

Game13a13y

by your logic $50 a year means nothing to M$ too, then why are they making you lemmings pay?

*shakes head*

That doesn't make sense either. To a single gamer it's only $50, and in my opinion thats not a big deal. However, to MS it's $50 per gamer, meaning they get around $300,000,000 in subscriptions alone. To you these are similar, in reality I doubt anyone would consider $50 and $300,000,000 equivalent. :|

What fanboy am I again you still haven't answered that? It could be entertaining so I'm interested.

so you are justifying M$ making you pay for XBL is a good thing because they saw how much money they can make off of gamers?

you have to ask yourself this question, not me.

I didn't say anything about MS making money as a good or bad thing. I'm pointing out you're flawed logic, in the comparison of someone paying $50 to that of someone making $50 per person paying. They're not equal by any means as you tried to make it sound. :|

Again what fanboy am I, you're the one who pointed it out. Please go on.

nope, its the same comparison. if $50 doesn't matter to me, then why does it matter to M$?

you were saying its because they can make alot of money from it.

and again, so thats why its justifyable to pay? i can make alot of money off selling crack, so its okay to sell crack?  (again, the point is not about selling crack, for some of you always take my point out of context)

and when did i point out/call you a fanboy? its because you guys are asuming i am, and i just wanted to clarify that.

Holy crap, b/c it's per person. To you it's one small amount to them it's a small amount times a large amount of people. It's not hard to understand, don't make it out like it is. :|

I was saying it for exactly the reason I said before, your flawed logic.

I didn't say anything about it being the reason to pay or anything, that's you making up your own conversation with yourself there. :|

Few pages back, go look, it's your own statements, and I shouldn't have to remember for you.

yea, and so i was saying, because the matter they made on XBL is huge, so its alright for you guys to pay?

that logic sounds more flawed then mine.

*edit* opps, i meant "money" not "matter"

:| I ... never ... said ... anything ... about ... how ... the ... money ... MS ... makes ... off ... of ... Live ... is ... a ... justification ... to ... buy/pay :|

It's not even about logic, it's about comprehension, or lack there of. :|

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

and i don't need to state the obvious reasons rite? and sooner or later, Home will come out to match with XBL.

chubz256

Thank you! Wow, all i got in home was a virtual instant messenger that will take me away from my games. Nah, i rather go play the sims.

And exactly how will HOME improve the online gaming experience?

for one, you can make an avatar of yourself and no, its not as cute as Mii, but it looks way cooler.

second, Home gives you a virtual apartment thingy that lets you customize your furnitures, decorations and stuffs. it also let you watch movies like you're in a real house.

last but not least, you can walk outside of your house to meet different people around the world and play games with each other, go to a movie theater to see movie previews, or watch a actual movie (but you have to pay of course), and go inside a trophy room thingy that lets you show off your achievements.

sounds quite interesting to me :wink:

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]Wow that last Muslim statement seems pretty damn offensive. :|Game13a13y

....

Your comparing Muslims to some of those catagories is also pretty damn offensive. :|

Border line hateful... might want to watch what you say less you don't care about being banned.

[QUOTE="chubz256"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

and i don't need to state the obvious reasons rite? and sooner or later, Home will come out to match with XBL.

Game13a13y

Thank you! Wow, all i got in home was a virtual instant messenger that will take me away from my games. Nah, i rather go play the sims.

And exactly how will HOME improve the online gaming experience?

for one, you can make an avatar of yourself and no, its not as cute as Mii, but it looks way cooler.

second, Home gives you a virtual apartment thingy that lets you customize your furnitures, decorations and stuffs. it also let you watch movies like you're in a real house.

last but not least, you can walk outside of your house to meet different people around the world and play games with each other, go to a movie theater to see movie previews, or watch a actual movie (but you have to pay of course), and go inside a trophy room thingy that lets you show off your achievements.

sounds quite interesting to me :wink:

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]uh its 4$ and you know that if you saved up $600 instead of buying a ps3 you could buy a laptop instead or tickets to sports games?Game13a13y

look, i have a job, 2 cars, soon to buy a house, and almost all consoles. $50 is not a big deal to me. just that i prefer other options, like free online with PC, free online with PSN, and forget about Wii.

many lemmings claimed XBL is a wonderful service and it is the best online experience like there's nothing before it.

well, hello?! XBL costs you $50 a year, so it SUPPOSED to be better than PC, Wii, and PS 3 online. its a automatica given. something that costs you should be better than something you got for free.

but guess what? PC online >>>>>> XBL

and i don't need to state the obvious reasons rite? and sooner or later, Home will come out to match with XBL.

this video should speak for itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVndZg7-aM

and if you still don't think XBL is a rip-off, i offer you another reason.

some of you lemmings claimed, "bu.. bu... $50 a year just means $4.17 a month, its cheap!!11!"

well, do you guys know that you can also get a laptop for $20 a month too? so lets do the math, after 4,5 years, you'll get a laptop had you paid $20 a month to a computer company, while you got uh...uh... nothing from XBL except some enjoyment which is offered free elsewhere (PC, Wii, and PS3).

 

Game13a13y

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

many lemmings claimed XBL is a wonderful service and it is the best online experience like there's nothing before it.

well, hello?! XBL costs you $50 a year, so it SUPPOSED to be better than PC, Wii, and PS 3 online. its a automatica given. something that costs you should be better than something you got for free.

but guess what? PC online >>>>>> XBL

and i don't need to state the obvious reasons rite? and sooner or later, Home will come out to match with XBL.

this video should speak for itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVndZg7-aM

and if you still don't think XBL is a rip-off, i offer you another reason.

some of you lemmings claimed, "bu.. bu... $50 a year just means $4.17 a month, its cheap!!11!"

well, do you guys know that you can also get a laptop for $20 a month too? so lets do the math, after 4,5 years, you'll get a laptop had you paid $20 a month to a computer company, while you got uh...uh... nothing from XBL except some enjoyment which is offered free elsewhere (PC, Wii, and PS3).

 

Danthegamingman

[QUOTE="chubz256"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

and i don't need to state the obvious reasons rite? and sooner or later, Home will come out to match with XBL.

Game13a13y

Thank you! Wow, all i got in home was a virtual instant messenger that will take me away from my games. Nah, i rather go play the sims.

And exactly how will HOME improve the online gaming experience?

for one, you can make an avatar of yourself and no, its not as cute as Mii, but it looks way cooler.

second, Home gives you a virtual apartment thingy that lets you customize your furnitures, decorations and stuffs. it also let you watch movies like you're in a real house.

last but not least, you can walk outside of your house to meet different people around the world and play games with each other, go to a movie theater to see movie previews, or watch a actual movie (but you have to pay of course), and go inside a trophy room thingy that lets you show off your achievements.

sounds quite interesting to me :wink:

Can't you do those things in the real world?

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]Wow that last Muslim statement seems pretty damn offensive. :|-RPGamer-

....

Your comparing Muslims to some of those catagories is also pretty damn offensive. :|

Border line hateful... might want to watch what you say less you don't care about being banned.