Wow I'm not impressed with Pokemon XY's graphics

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] The point is, a) Pokemon doesn't NEED pretty over world graphics b) There is so much going on in a Pokemon game that it probably isn't even possible for them to look as good as the best of the best on the 3DS. GunSmith1_basic

PS1 graphics for a handheld game sounds good, what are you talking about?

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] The sad thing is that you're probably wrong about that. The graphics aren't bad because there's more going on. They are bad because Nintendo doesn't put graphics as a priority for the Pokemon franchise. Mariokart 7 looks like a solid GC game. Pokemon XY looks like a Psone game.Capitan_Kid

"cause its Pokemon" is the lamest excuse ever.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

"cause its Pokemon" is the lamest excuse ever.

Shinobishyguy

....BW/BW2 were technically 3D,too........

It's just better 3D,not way better.

>_>

The graphics look atrocious compared to what 3DS has shown before but it's not like the fans of the game will care. They came for the battles and Pokemon in 3D, no matter how badly rendered it is

GameFreaks should collaborate with Level-5 and make a console Pokemon game.

Ni no Kuni gfx + updated battle system + Pokemon = win

GameFreaks should collaborate with Level-5 and make a console Pokemon game.

Ni no Kuni gfx + updated battle system + Pokemon = win

nitekids2004

NO!!!!!

GameFreaks should collaborate with Level-5 and make a console Pokemon game.

Ni no Kuni gfx + updated battle system + Pokemon = win

nitekids2004

I was thinking more like Xenoblade Chronicles, you can keep the turn based battle system, but it needs a massive upgrade. Imagine actually flying on your pokemon in a Xenoblade type world.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

GameFreaks should collaborate with Level-5 and make a console Pokemon game.

Ni no Kuni gfx + updated battle system + Pokemon = win

GreekGameManiac

NO!!!!!

I think the cartoony gfx will blend well with Pokemon.

I am not impressed either, but the fact that Pokemon is going 3D is a sign that it will eventually be in high definition.BranKetra

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

GameFreaks should collaborate with Level-5 and make a console Pokemon game.

Ni no Kuni gfx + updated battle system + Pokemon = win

crimsonman1245

I was thinking more like Xenoblade Chronicles, you can keep the turn based battle system, but it needs a massive upgrade. Imagine actually flying on your pokemon in a Xenoblade type world.

If its gonna be on consoles, I think Turn-Based should go. Replace it with real-time instead.

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

GameFreaks should collaborate with Level-5 and make a console Pokemon game.

Ni no Kuni gfx + updated battle system + Pokemon = win

nitekids2004

I was thinking more like Xenoblade Chronicles, you can keep the turn based battle system, but it needs a massive upgrade. Imagine actually flying on your pokemon in a Xenoblade type world.

If its gonna be on consoles, I think Turn-Based should go. Replace it with real-time instead.

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

GameFreaks should collaborate with Level-5 and make a console Pokemon game.

Ni no Kuni gfx + updated battle system + Pokemon = win

nitekids2004

I was thinking more like Xenoblade Chronicles, you can keep the turn based battle system, but it needs a massive upgrade. Imagine actually flying on your pokemon in a Xenoblade type world.

If its gonna be on consoles, I think Turn-Based should go. Replace it with real-time instead.

It could be on consoles or handhelds, i dont care. Theres nothing stopping Nintendo from doing that on the 3DS, its not that far off from the Wii.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I am not impressed either, but the fact that Pokemon is going 3D is a sign that it will eventually be in high definition.charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]I am not impressed either, but the fact that Pokemon is going 3D is a sign that it will eventually be in high definition.BranKetra

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

I was thinking more like Xenoblade Chronicles, you can keep the turn based battle system, but it needs a massive upgrade. Imagine actually flying on your pokemon in a Xenoblade type world.

charizard1605

If its gonna be on consoles, I think Turn-Based should go. Replace it with real-time instead.

Make it real-time on console (similar to Ni no Kuni or Grandia).

You can keep turn based on handhelds.

Now, everyone's happy :D

I think the cartoony gfx will blend well with Pokemon.

nitekids2004

Maybe,but not like THOSE graphics!!!

I'd rather Battle Revolution style.

Double standardbbkkristian

I agree with you. But as much as I do, cutting edge graphics are not and will not be needed in a handheld.charizard1605

Speak for yourself!!!

We are in the 10s,i want awesome graphics on handhelds!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]I agree with you. But as much as I do, cutting edge graphics are not and will not be needed in a handheld.GreekGameManiac

Speak for yourself!!!

We are in the 10s,i want awesome graphics on handhelds!

I think people have unrealistic expectations about what the 3DS can do graphically if this looks bad to them.Senor_Kami

Lol...the 3DS is pretty powerful,actually.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]I think people have unrealistic expectations about what the 3DS can do graphically if this looks bad to them.GreekGameManiac

Lol...the 3DS is pretty powerful,actually.

Pokemon XY? OOHHH MAN! I can't wait to play the same game I played 14 years ago, only this time in 3D! I can't wait to see what masterful story Game Freak comes up with this time.

Pokemon XY? OOHHH MAN! I can't wait to play the same game I played 14 years ago, only this time in 3D! I can't wait to see what masterful story Game Freak comes up with this time.

XVision84

Pokemon XY? OOHHH MAN! I can't wait to play the same game I played 14 years ago, only this time in 3D! I can't wait to see what masterful story Game Freak comes up with this time.

XVision84

Apparently they're the same game.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

If its gonna be on consoles, I think Turn-Based should go. Replace it with real-time instead.

nitekids2004

Make it real-time on console (similar to Ni no Kuni or Grandia).

You can keep turn based on handhelds.

Now, everyone's happy :D

Changing the timekeeping system of a ruleset that is specifically tailored for another timekeeping system is never a good idea.

Pokemon is built, balanced and tweaked around turn based combat. To make it real time (like FF4-9) or worse make it action based would be a terrible, terrible idea. How would priority moves work? How would moves like trick room work? How would quick claw work? Focus punch would probably be even more unbalanced than what it is now.

Case in point: Look at the action games of D&D.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Pokemon is all about turn based. The day they remove turn based and put in an actual time battle system is the day the series loses its identity.Maroxad

Make it real-time on console (similar to Ni no Kuni or Grandia).

You can keep turn based on handhelds.

Now, everyone's happy :D

Changing the timekeeping system of a ruleset that is specifically tailored for another timekeeping system is never a good idea.

Pokemon is built, balanced and tweaked around turn based combat. To make it real time (like FF4-9) or worse make it action based would be a terrible, terrible idea. How would priority moves work? How would moves like trick room work? How would quick claw work? Focus punch would probably be even more unbalanced than what it is now.

Case in point: Look at the action games of D&D.

They can tweak it a bit. :s

Trick Room now slows down enemies, the higher their speed is.

Quick Claw bumps up your speed (% chance of happening).

Don't see any problem with Focus Punch.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

"cause its Pokemon" is the lamest excuse ever.

crimsonman1245

Nintendo as a whole gets away with alot of things that no other publisher would.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Make it real-time on console (similar to Ni no Kuni or Grandia).

You can keep turn based on handhelds.

Now, everyone's happy :D

nitekids2004

Changing the timekeeping system of a ruleset that is specifically tailored for another timekeeping system is never a good idea.

Pokemon is built, balanced and tweaked around turn based combat. To make it real time (like FF4-9) or worse make it action based would be a terrible, terrible idea. How would priority moves work? How would moves like trick room work? How would quick claw work? Focus punch would probably be even more unbalanced than what it is now.

Case in point: Look at the action games of D&D.

They can tweak it a bit. :s

Trick Room now slows down enemies, the higher their speed is.

Quick Claw bumps up your speed (% chance of happening).

Don't see any problem with Focus Punch.

Most of those tweaks you suggested could only imbalance the game furthermore

That MIGHT work, if they completely redesign the speed stat from scratch. But if speed would be factored in so that a pokemon with 200 speed is twice as fast as a pokemon with 100 speed that is just a set up for a ton of abuse. I use trick room, then switch to a level 1 pokemon, and abuse my 10 speed or so.

The thing about quick claw is that it forces you to go first. However, if it just bumps the speed with a % chance, it might not force a user to go first anymore.

Focus punch is already very powerful, especially in the hands of breloom. But with real time combat it would either be broken one way or another.

If speed is factored into it: Let the enemy attack me first, hte instant after, use it. The charge will probably be done before he gets a chance to act again.
If it is based on the next attack: Uh oh, enemy is using focus punch, now I know NOT to use anything but an attack.

Oh and I forgot.: Pokemon combat his heavily designed around predicting. When real time combat is involved, changing tactics on the fly is way too easy. XCOM: Apocalypse is the PERFECT example of this.

I'm glad I'm old enough to never have really gotten into Pokemon. I would have looked pretty damn dumb if I went to the Internet to complain because the game is not "mature enough" for me, rant about TEH GRAFX and how, for some inexplicable reason other than my own stupidity, a franchise is supposed to "grow up with me".

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Changing the timekeeping system of a ruleset that is specifically tailored for another timekeeping system is never a good idea.

Pokemon is built, balanced and tweaked around turn based combat. To make it real time (like FF4-9) or worse make it action based would be a terrible, terrible idea. How would priority moves work? How would moves like trick room work? How would quick claw work? Focus punch would probably be even more unbalanced than what it is now.

Case in point: Look at the action games of D&D.

Maroxad

They can tweak it a bit. :s

Trick Room now slows down enemies, the higher their speed is.

Quick Claw bumps up your speed (% chance of happening).

Don't see any problem with Focus Punch.

Most of those tweaks you suggested could only imbalance the game furthermore

That MIGHT work, if they completely redesign the speed stat from scratch. But if speed would be factored in so that a pokemon with 200 speed is twice as fast as a pokemon with 100 speed that is just a set up for a ton of abuse. I use trick room, then switch to a level 1 pokemon, and abuse my 10 speed or so.

The thing about quick claw is that it forces you to go first. However, if it just bumps the speed with a % chance, it might not force a user to go first anymore.

Focus punch is already very powerful, especially in the hands of breloom. But with real time combat it would either be broken one way or another.

If speed is factored into it: Let the enemy attack me first, hte instant after, use it. The charge will probably be done before he gets a chance to act again.
If it is based on the next attack: Uh oh, enemy is using focus punch, now I know NOT to use anything but an attack.

Oh and I forgot.: Pokemon combat his heavily designed around predicting. When real time combat is involved, changing tactics on the fly is way too easy. XCOM: Apocalypse is the PERFECT example of this.

Clearly items are designed around the turn based system. They would have to scratch items altogether. Also, speed doesn't necessarily have to do with the pokemons moving speed (in this hypothetical real time game). If they implement an attack gauge, they could make it so that speed affects how fast the gauge fills up.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Changing the timekeeping system of a ruleset that is specifically tailored for another timekeeping system is never a good idea.

Pokemon is built, balanced and tweaked around turn based combat. To make it real time (like FF4-9) or worse make it action based would be a terrible, terrible idea. How would priority moves work? How would moves like trick room work? How would quick claw work? Focus punch would probably be even more unbalanced than what it is now.

Case in point: Look at the action games of D&D.

Maroxad

They can tweak it a bit. :s

Trick Room now slows down enemies, the higher their speed is.

Quick Claw bumps up your speed (% chance of happening).

Don't see any problem with Focus Punch.

Most of those tweaks you suggested could only imbalance the game furthermore

That MIGHT work, if they completely redesign the speed stat from scratch. But if speed would be factored in so that a pokemon with 200 speed is twice as fast as a pokemon with 100 speed that is just a set up for a ton of abuse. I use trick room, then switch to a level 1 pokemon, and abuse my 10 speed or so.

The thing about quick claw is that it forces you to go first. However, if it just bumps the speed with a % chance, it might not force a user to go first anymore.

Focus punch is already very powerful, especially in the hands of breloom. But with real time combat it would either be broken one way or another.

If speed is factored into it: Let the enemy attack me first, hte instant after, use it. The charge will probably be done before he gets a chance to act again.
If it is based on the next attack: Uh oh, enemy is using focus punch, now I know NOT to use anything but an attack.

Oh and I forgot.: Pokemon combat his heavily designed around predicting. When real time combat is involved, changing tactics on the fly is way too easy. XCOM: Apocalypse is the PERFECT example of this.

I'm pretty sure the devs could tweak and balance it if they want to.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

They can tweak it a bit. :s

Trick Room now slows down enemies, the higher their speed is.

Quick Claw bumps up your speed (% chance of happening).

Don't see any problem with Focus Punch.

el3m2tigre

Most of those tweaks you suggested could only imbalance the game furthermore

That MIGHT work, if they completely redesign the speed stat from scratch. But if speed would be factored in so that a pokemon with 200 speed is twice as fast as a pokemon with 100 speed that is just a set up for a ton of abuse. I use trick room, then switch to a level 1 pokemon, and abuse my 10 speed or so.

The thing about quick claw is that it forces you to go first. However, if it just bumps the speed with a % chance, it might not force a user to go first anymore.

Focus punch is already very powerful, especially in the hands of breloom. But with real time combat it would either be broken one way or another.

If speed is factored into it: Let the enemy attack me first, hte instant after, use it. The charge will probably be done before he gets a chance to act again.
If it is based on the next attack: Uh oh, enemy is using focus punch, now I know NOT to use anything but an attack.

Oh and I forgot.: Pokemon combat his heavily designed around predicting. When real time combat is involved, changing tactics on the fly is way too easy. XCOM: Apocalypse is the PERFECT example of this.

Clearly items are designed around the turn based system. They would have to scratch items altogether. Also, speed doesn't necessarily have to do with the pokemons moving speed (in this hypothetical real time game). If they implement an attack gauge, they could make it so that speed affects how fast the gauge fills up.

And that is what I was referring too, a level 100 pokemon has around 200-400 speed.

A level 1, has somethin in the 10s. If a level 100 pokemon has 200-400 speed, and the rate at which they get attacks in is based around speed in a fasion (200 speed is 10 times faster than 20 speed) a level 1 pokemon with trick room would have at least 20 actions before a level 100 can act. Some level 1 pokemon could easily abuse this to sweep entire teams of level 100 pokemon. If not that they could buff up himself to incredible levels (+6 attack, +6 defense, +6 special defense) and then baton pass to a stronger poke.

Yes, they could tweak and balance, but considering the large ammount of tweaks that would need to be made, it wouldnt be that easy. Not even Bioware and Black isle did a particulary good job transitioning Dungeons and Dragons into real time. Don't get me wrong, the combat in some of the infinity games was good, but it was not the mechanics that were good.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Pokemon XY? OOHHH MAN! I can't wait to play the same game I played 14 years ago, only this time in 3D! I can't wait to see what masterful story Game Freak comes up with this time.

el3m2tigre

Apparently they're the same game.

Really? You don't see it?

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Pokemon XY? OOHHH MAN! I can't wait to play the same game I played 14 years ago, only this time in 3D! I can't wait to see what masterful story Game Freak comes up with this time.

XVision84

Apparently they're the same game.

Really? You don't see it?

It's the same in the sense that you capture pokemon and battle other people with them.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Most of those tweaks you suggested could only imbalance the game furthermore

That MIGHT work, if they completely redesign the speed stat from scratch. But if speed would be factored in so that a pokemon with 200 speed is twice as fast as a pokemon with 100 speed that is just a set up for a ton of abuse. I use trick room, then switch to a level 1 pokemon, and abuse my 10 speed or so.

The thing about quick claw is that it forces you to go first. However, if it just bumps the speed with a % chance, it might not force a user to go first anymore.

Focus punch is already very powerful, especially in the hands of breloom. But with real time combat it would either be broken one way or another.

If speed is factored into it: Let the enemy attack me first, hte instant after, use it. The charge will probably be done before he gets a chance to act again.
If it is based on the next attack: Uh oh, enemy is using focus punch, now I know NOT to use anything but an attack.

Oh and I forgot.: Pokemon combat his heavily designed around predicting. When real time combat is involved, changing tactics on the fly is way too easy. XCOM: Apocalypse is the PERFECT example of this.

Maroxad

Clearly items are designed around the turn based system. They would have to scratch items altogether. Also, speed doesn't necessarily have to do with the pokemons moving speed (in this hypothetical real time game). If they implement an attack gauge, they could make it so that speed affects how fast the gauge fills up.

And that is what I was referring too, a level 100 pokemon has around 200-400 speed.

A level 1, has somethin in the 10s. If a level 100 pokemon has 200-400 speed, and the rate at which they get attacks in is based around speed in a fasion (200 speed is 10 times faster than 20 speed) a level 1 pokemon with trick room would have at least 20 actions before a level 100 can act. Some level 1 pokemon could easily abuse this to sweep entire teams of level 100 pokemon. If not that they could buff up himself to incredible levels (+6 attack, +6 defense, +6 special defense) and then baton pass to a stronger poke.

Yes, they could tweak and balance, but considering the large ammount of tweaks that would need to be made, it wouldnt be that easy. Not even Bioware and Black isle did a particulary good job transitioning Dungeons and Dragons into real time. Don't get me wrong, the combat in some of the infinity games was good, but it was not the mechanics that were good.

I don't know, i think Game Freak can manage the tweaks. Yeah it won't be easy, but then again, since when was making a game ever easy?