yeah I know, one of my options for my thesis was 3D vision for robots using a single camera, would have required I take those other factors into account. Didn't end up doing it, but looked into it :P

I'm not sure what tech could work without interfering with the vision required to operate the touch screen. Those images you posted work fine, but they only work because the image isn't fed into each eye, soon as they are, you'll get the issues. Those pictures require the stutering, you can't pull it off without that, so it's not really viable. That camera/tilt option where it might sense where a user has tilted the device or what angle the user is looking at the screen might work, it'd be a little silly though...

I guess we're going to have to see what ninty does, who knows, maybe they will add the extra processing power for it. I seem to remember some source mentioning it won't output graphics much better then the current DS, that would def explain what the added power is being used for.

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

Um, I'm not sure how nobody has realised this yet. 3D screens allow images to seemingly pop out of the screen, the DS is a touch screen device. Touch screen + 3D does not work. Not only would touching a 3D screen interfere with the light the screen is attempting to send to each eye, it would also be very hard to even accuratly touch the correct part of the screen due to the optical illusion being used to generate the 3D effect.

To put it simply, 3D cannot work with the main draw of the DS... I have no idea how Nintendo plans to market this.

EDIT: Further, graphic capabilities will be minimised. At the very least they will require double the graphical horsepower due to needing to render 2 images, resolution may also be nerfed depending on how it is implimented.

GoldfishDave

Firstly, ThePlotHole, those pics are awesome :P

But no guys, it doesn't work like that. Avatar used stanard 3D technology, thats why you needed glasses. Whether they choose to be subtle about it or not, it's still the same technology. It's like saying a 2D game on the Wii doesn't require your machine to be switched on because it's not 3D... no, both require your machine to function as usual, it's just different uses of the same tech.

Also, those shakey images only work because they're shakey, your seeing one eye then the other in quick succession. It's the same way normal 3D tech works, and it's the reason why the 3DS will need double the graphical power, because it has to render both images, just like those pics are doing.

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

Um, those titles I've lsited, are the ones I played. I'm sure there's a hell of alot more games for adults on the device, whats your point? Further, your the one who seems to think Zelda is for kids, so I think you simply have issues with your definition of mature.

DanteSuikoden

My point is you can't seem to prove that the Ds is not primarily for kids and primarily not played by kids

As a person who's favorite series is Zelda, yea I do see SPirit Tracks as rather kiddy compared to other Zelda's I have played so don't tell me what I think like you know something I don't lol

Sorry, I missed the part where you proved the DS was primaly for kids in the first place. I seem to have listed a bunch of games enjoyable by adults, how many can you list solely for kids? In order to be primarily for kids, it would have to primarily have games aimed primarilly at kids.

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

I may be mistaken, but hasn't Sony been one of the main supporters of 3D gaming for awhile? Before Nintendo announced it's 3DS(Virtual Boy doesn't count as support)? Now, I'm not condoning they're childish publish remarks. But if I'm right, then you should remove the bolded speculative question in your post.

KH-mixerX

They might support 3D, but they're insulting Nintendo for attempting to put 3D into a handheld. I'd say "following suit" and putting 3D into the PSP would effectivly be eating thier words. Same thing they did when creating the Move

Whether your right or not doesn't matter. The thing that sticks out to me most about what I've gathered from you so far in this thread, is that you seem to have some sort of misplaced loathing for Sony. Even if they didn't have a condescending moronic PR department, you'd make every effort in the world to bad mouth them whenever you got the chance. This particular mindset isn't exclusive to you though. Every fanboy seems to suffer from it. It's unfortunate, but very true. Of course I could be completely talking out of my a** right now, and your not part of the group I just outlined. Who knows? If I am wrong though, I apologize.

I don't hate Sony consoles or the games on them, I've never owned a Sony console, but have borrowed a PS2 from a friend, and there's a number of games I wish would release on the 360 that are on the PS3. however I dislike Sony's attempts to always appear "hardcore" and edgy and this stuck up way they go about handling thier PR. Aside from that I wish they'd revise thier controller and make them a little more ergonomic to be inline with the 360 and old gamecube pads. I'm just complaining about what I dislike, and I dislike this immature slug-fest Sony seem to partake in more then Microsoft or Nintendo :P

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

Wait... so you think when a game can be played by adults as well as a younger audience, the game is aimed at kids... isn't it equally as likely the games are aimed at adults?

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

I don't see a core or non core market

I see the market that plays whatever is fun (people who can enjoy cooking mama and something like demon's souls)

DanteSuikoden

I think you have some problems with your thought process. I guess Stargate, Startrek, Supernatural, House, Boston Legal etc are also aimed at kids as well. Far as I remember they all have G/PG ratings in aus.

I like that weak attempt at trying to insult me while avoiding my argument

So what were you trying to prove listing 60 titles while there are over 900?

You act as if im saying something like Heavy Rain (clearly aimed at older demographic) which can be played by kids is automatically a game for kids. Just cause your from the minority demographic enjoying something aimed at a different demographic doesn't mean the game is aimed at your certain demographic. Believe it or not companies aim for the majority not the minority

Um, those titles I've lsited, are the ones I played. I'm sure there's a hell of alot more games for adults on the device, whats your point? Further, your the one who seems to think Zelda is for kids, so I think you simply have issues with your definition of mature.

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]

Sony needs to do a bit more research before they start touting their 'experience' in the handheld market, as that experience sure isn't helping them inspire software sales. I'm not a big Nintendo fan but they sure know how to sucker people in. So does Apple

DJ_Lae

Actually thats kind of interesting, I'd like to know actual sales numbers, that chart makes it look like apple has eaten a portion of Sony and Nintendo's market, however, it's just as likely the market actually increased in size and neither Sony or Nintendo lost sales, also that people bought multiple devices. Especially as the iPhone is a phone. So yeah, be interesting to know.

They have increased the market a little, but they did take a big chunk out of the PSP.

http://blog.flurry.com/bid/31566/Apple-iPhone-and-iPod-touch-Capture-U-S-Video-Game-Market-Share

They don't mention all the numbers but for 2008the iPhone is just over $100 million, the PSP at $460 million, and the DS at $1.7 billion.

2009 the iPhone jumped to half a billion, the PSP fell to $290 million, and the DS went up a little to $1.8 billion.

That or Apple has expanded the market and Sony has simply dropped the ball.

Interesting, hard to make a judgment based on cost since it would I think include software numbers as well, which isn't uptake so much. Still, I'm suprised the iphone took that much of the market, I more expected it to take market from other phone manufacturers, and simply increase the gaming market. I just never saw it as a real competitor in the gaming scene I guess...

true, but those are technical limitations of 3D tech. No matter how you look at it, to output the extra frame of detail for the second eye requires double the horsepower, and trying to touch a part of a 3D illusion on a touchscreen isn't exactly intuitive.

So yeah, dunno, I'm guessing the rumors are mistaken.

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

C.O.R.E.

Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars

Ultimate Mortal Kombat

Dementium: The Ward

Dementium 2

Touch the Dead

Resident Evil: Deadly Silence

Infinite Space

Theresia

Avalon Code

Disgea

Metal Slug 7

Might and magic CoH

N+

Scribblenauts

Trauma Center

Trauma Center 2

Mario & Luigi 3

Castlevania DoS

Castlevania PoR

Dragon Quest

Zelda Phantom Hourglass

Zelda Spirit Tracks

Pheonix wright

Pheonix wright 2

New Super mario bros

Sonic Rush

Sonic Rush 2

Yoshi's Island DS

Clubhouse Games

Meteos

Planet Puzzle League

Puzzle Quest

Slither Link

Tetris DS

Picross

Children of mana

Harvest moon

Lunar knights

Pokemon Diamond

Rune Factory

Soma Bringer

Summon Night

The World Ends with you

Asphalt Urban GT2

Mario Kart DS

NFS Carbon

Trackmania

Dirt

Grid

Advance Wars Days of Ruin

Advance Wars Dual Strike

FF Tactics A2

Revenant Wings

Glory Days 2

Knights in the Nightmare

Warhammer 40,000 Squad Command

Worms Open Warfare

Worms Open Warfare 2

But no, your right, those are all for kids, what was I thinking, quick, bring in the kiddies, GTA for all!

DanteSuikoden

You named about 60 games (counting the ones I highlighted because I played and KNOW that the game is not designed solely for adult entertainment so who knows how many more you listed are in the same case) when there are over 900 Ds titles. How does this prove anything? Like I said before, you don't have to feel insulted that I said the Ds is primarily for a younger demographic because it isn't a bad thing

Wait... so you think when a game can be played by adults as well as a younger audience, the game is aimed at kids... isn't it equally as likely the games are aimed at adults? I think you have some problems with your thought process. I guess Stargate, Startrek, Supernatural, House, Boston Legal etc are also aimed at kids as well. Far as I remember they all have G/PG ratings in aus.

EDIT: And why did you highlight spirit tracks and not phantom hourglass? Is it because the name phantom is more hardcore then the name spirit? Thats so mature of you :roll:

Sony needs to do a bit more research before they start touting their 'experience' in the handheld market, as that experience sure isn't helping them inspire software sales. I'm not a big Nintendo fan but they sure know how to sucker people in. So does Apple.

DJ_Lae

Actually thats kind of interesting, I'd like to know actual sales numbers, that chart makes it look like apple has eaten a portion of Sony and Nintendo's market, however, it's just as likely the market actually increased in size and neither Sony or Nintendo lost sales, also that people bought multiple devices. Especially as the iPhone is a phone. So yeah, be interesting to know.

you guys realise darkside chronicles was actually a really good game right...