You are talking about last gen and ignoring recent events all together.  The 360 has a killer app that isn't Halo, and sales are fine.  Wait until the PS3 catches up to the 360 and then talk crap.

Hey don't forget to inlcude the value of that included HDMI cable into your calculations.  Doesn't Sony charge $60 for theirs?

And I know it's been said, but you don't have to buy wifi if you don't need it, and many of us have no need for an HD-DVD add-on.  Including those as a must have to play games is silly.  If you are trying to say the PS3 is a good value, because it has a Blu-ray player in it, then do so, but that's a whole other type of arguement than saying the Elite is overpriced.

Yeah, I agree $180 is too high.  Especially when you consider the elite goes for only $80 more than the premium 360 and it includes an HDMI cable.  It's almost tempting to just sell back the premium system and buy an elite one.  I would only have to sell my premium for $300 to break even on the difference.  Something to think about.

Isn't it odd that the place where the PS3 is the most expensive (The UK) it's selling the best?

Perhaps what Sony needs to increase sales in the USA and elsewhere is to increase the price.

[QUOTE="EricForeman"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="EricForeman"][QUOTE="gsx1100"]

This new 360 all but confirms that the 360 was a rushed console,and still no WiFi or maybe they saving that for the next version of the 360.

Less than 18 months on the market and they doing a do over:lol:

 Here's a quote from MS when they were pushed by IGN over why the HD DVDV add on didn't have any HDMI ports.

We [Microsoft Corporation] do not see the absence of HDMI/HDCP as an issue over the lifetime of this generation of [the X360] console. HDMI/HDCP is still a very new interface and until it is supported broadly across the CE and PC industries and by consumers on a wide enough scale to be considered a standard, we don't expect anyone to impede content flow over non-HDMI devices (re: invoke the ICT).

OMG teh lies!!:roll:

Javy03

So when Sony upgraded the PS to the PS One and the PS2 with a PS2 second edition, they were guilty of the same thing.  Who cares, no one is forcing anyone to upgrade.  It's nice to have options.  This release is a good thing.  I for one am looking forward to the possiblity of a larger hard drive. 

You are right, it's not exactly the same thing, but it's close enough.  What's better though?  Giving the general population more choices sooner in the life cycle, or waiting until most people that want the console already have it and then releasing a new version just to drum up more sales? 

Having a choice that saves money is good.  Having a choice for HDMI, if I feel like spending the money is good too.  Having choices IS a good thing.  An HD movie player is cool, but not forcing me to pay for it if I don't want it, is a GREAT thing.  $600 and then the right to spend another $100 upgrading the hard drive hardly seems like the right choice to me.  And slamming paid for downloadable content is rediculous.  This content wouldn't exist, if they couldn't sell it.  It's existence doesn't force you to buy it.  It again, is a good thing.  You are never going to be able to prove otherwise. 

[QUOTE="EricForeman"][QUOTE="gsx1100"]

This new 360 all but confirms that the 360 was a rushed console,and still no WiFi or maybe they saving that for the next version of the 360.

Less than 18 months on the market and they doing a do over:lol:

 Here's a quote from MS when they were pushed by IGN over why the HD DVDV add on didn't have any HDMI ports.

We [Microsoft Corporation] do not see the absence of HDMI/HDCP as an issue over the lifetime of this generation of [the X360] console. HDMI/HDCP is still a very new interface and until it is supported broadly across the CE and PC industries and by consumers on a wide enough scale to be considered a standard, we don't expect anyone to impede content flow over non-HDMI devices (re: invoke the ICT).

OMG teh lies!!:roll:

Javy03

So when Sony upgraded the PS to the PS One and the PS2 with a PS2 second edition, they were guilty of the same thing.  Who cares, no one is forcing anyone to upgrade.  It's nice to have options.  This release is a good thing.  I for one am looking forward to the possiblity of a larger hard drive. 

You are right, it's not exactly the same thing, but it's close enough.  What's better though?  Giving the general population more choices sooner in the life cycle, or waiting until most people that want the console already have it and then releasing a new version just to drum up more sales? 

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

So should I stop buying games for my 360 now since there is a new model out?

Maybe I shouldn't get gas for my car because there are new models? 

Javy03

Hmmmm.... 120GB = 6X 20GB.  It seems the Xbox 360 Elite is far beyond the value of the PS3's similarly priced model.

This new 360 all but confirms that the 360 was a rushed console,and still no WiFi or maybe they saving that for the next version of the 360.

Less than 18 months on the market and they doing a do over:lol:

 Here's a quote from MS when they were pushed by IGN over why the HD DVDV add on didn't have any HDMI ports.

We [Microsoft Corporation] do not see the absence of HDMI/HDCP as an issue over the lifetime of this generation of [the X360] console. HDMI/HDCP is still a very new interface and until it is supported broadly across the CE and PC industries and by consumers on a wide enough scale to be considered a standard, we don't expect anyone to impede content flow over non-HDMI devices (re: invoke the ICT).

OMG teh lies!!:roll:

gsx1100

So when Sony upgraded the PS to the PS One and the PS2 with a PS2 second edition, they were guilty of the same thing.  Who cares, no one is forcing anyone to upgrade.  It's nice to have options.  This release is a good thing.  I for one am looking forward to the possiblity of a larger hard drive. 

Many people were convinced the European launch delay would allow Sony to get its act together and have some great games available for launch.  Obviously, Europeans in general aren't excited by what Sony has been able to produce so far. 

I certainly don't think the PS3 is dead, but either the games start coming soon, or people are going to lose interest.  How long is Sony going to keep us waiting?

35 and my first system was a home pong system.  There were all kinds of different pong systems, all of them lame.  Ours got maybe 4 hours of game time before we all hated it enough we never hooked it back to the TV again.  The next system we had was a Video Brain.  It was much more fun, but completely lame compared to Atari, which came out later.