[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

So what libertarian esque state should we take hints from? which should we model our economy after? this is my question.

airshocker

There is no such thing a libertarian country.

What libertarians like me want is a country where you don't need to go to the chamber of commerce to get a permit in order to cut someone's lawn, or work on their house.

As for the economy, we don't think the government should have the power to regulate everything. They should regulate things that can't be trusted by an honor system and that's it.

Libertarians aren't anarchists. Laws, for the most part, help this country. But you can't deny there are some extremely stupid and dangerous lawmakers who think they should have the power to control everything. That's what we don't want.

I can admit libertarians want to implement a system with no F'n idea what might happen. Socialist bastion like finland are smarter than us, and happier than us. But we want to avoid being smart and happy because thats the american way.... we gravitate towards somalia's style of government, because that seems like a hot place to live.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

While Hong Kong is a part of China, it has it's own stock market and currency.

taj7575

i know, but what are they beating us in? should we aspire to be hong kong? You want to model the US after hong kong?

No we don't need to model anything out of Hong Kong. It's just they followed a great free-market system for a long time, and worked perfectly. We continually kept changing our system since the beginning of the 20th century and has set us with a flawed want-to-be Capitalist system that is failing. Much of Hong Kong's problems also stems because it is a small island. Imagine if we followed a proper free market system with the amount of space we had for growth in our nation from the 20th century. Sadly, we can't go back to that, and most likely, never can.

the good ole days of buildings with no fire escapes, that burn hundreds of women to death. Amen. Stupid goverment getting in the way.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

i know, but what are they beating us in? should we aspire to be hong kong? You want to model the US after hong kong?

airshocker

They don't need to beat us in anything? I was informing you because you called them China when they are kinda' different.

So what libertarian esque state should we take hints from? which should we model our economy after? this is my question.

Canada?

Espada12

pretty sure canada is communist, you pinko

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

Hong Kong, i know tea party folks, LOVE china (think its a democratic republic?). And singapore is a glorious beacon of GDP and education.

I agree, we should model ourselves after poor countries that have average wages of cents an hour.... seem like a good direction for the US to head in. Because once the average workers wages hit rock bottom, there is nowhere to go but up!

airshocker

While Hong Kong is a part of China, it has it's own stock market and currency.

i know, but what are they beating us in? should we aspire to be hong kong? You want to model the US after hong kong?

in fact does any libertarian country beat the US in any sort of measurable index? alot of socialist nations beat us in measurable indices.

but how bout libertarians governments? even a single measurable category? any of them? even one category?

Libertarianism (American, of course) takes it's focus on Capitalism/free market, so I guess a good example would be Hong Kong and Singapore.

taj7575

Hong Kong, i know tea party folks, LOVE china (think its a democratic republic?). And singapore is a glorious beacon of GDP and education.

I agree, we should model ourselves after poor countries that have average wages of cents an hour.... seem like a good direction for the US to head in. Because once the average workers wages hit rock bottom, there is nowhere to go but up!

I'll feed you. Where has anyone in the Tea Party advocated a completely libertarian government? Even Ron Paul doesn't think he can do that.

airshocker

fine closest government to tea party ideals? hit me with it.

things like healthcare... we can shop around look at other "socialized" countries that do better than us... maybe some "socialized" countries do things worse... we have the luxury of seeing what works, and picking and choosing... using logic and results to improve our situation.

which countries are we using as a precedent for tea party stuff?

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applying for citizenship is tedius, otherwise we wouldnt have this illegal immigration problem... amirite?

Wasdie

Actually the time of great immigration is over. We are full. 300 million people fighting over a finite amount of resources. Sorry, but it's not the 1800s anymore. Time to move on from that idea.

There is no American dream anymore, no infinite wilderness of possibility waiting to be cultivated. We've become a normal country like everywhere else in the world. Anybody who spouts America as the land of opportunity and that jazz needs to wake up to the 21st century.

immigration is actually the single issue i think republicans are 100% correct on, dems just pander.

Its kinda like building an in ground pool, you may invite your friends and have a good time. But once you open it to the public is a disease hole nobody wants to go in anymore.

but seriously folks, the only libertarian governments are 3rd world crap holes. Lets quit the tea party nonsense.

i will vote ron paul the second someone shows me a libertarian country, that doesnt drink out of the place they pee.