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This discussion is really more of console-oriented. I don't count PCs because they are different products. It's like comparing an iPod to a hi-fi system. They both play music but are used in completely different ways and situations[QUOTE="The_Streets"][QUOTE="hondacrx898"]i guess PC doesnt count, because they have had most of this for a while....Exige24_basic
**claps** I don't think hermits will ever get that point. I've been trying to instill in into their arrogant skulls for years now.
QFT. I have been thinking this for some time.
That's the problem with fanboyism. It clouds all semblance of common sense and logic, to the point where people start believing things that are blatantly not true or that are irrelevant
Gonna be hard to define gaming if no one owns it.RockstarFuryWhy is it sold out then and people are paying up to $2,000 them on Ebay?
Because they're idiots?.....
[QUOTE="The_Streets"][QUOTE="mxdirector"]your a idiot, you know nothign of ps's online service.VastetWell, I have a PlayStation 2 which I (used) to play online, so I think I do. And as for the PlayStation 3s online service, do you honestly think that it will be able to match Xbox Live stride-for-stride? It's taken Microsoft years and numerous updates, just to get it to the level that it's at now. Do you even know how expensive Xbox Live is to maintain? For a start, they have those four super-servers (in London, Tokyo, Chicago and New York, I THINK. Not to sure of their exact locations). The cost of sustaining what is in essence, a closed internet client-server model, is enormous. The only reason that Microsoft can pull it off is because a) they're Microsoft. They have more money than any other company on the face of this planet b) they are a software company. This is their area of specialisation and expertise. If you think that Sony are going to make a few token announcements at this years E3 and then suddenly, like magic! they'll have a service that comes even near 1/10th of Xbox Live, I'm afraid you're sadly mistaken. They just don't have the cash and that's assuming that they even have the will. For one thing it's not as expensive to maintain 4 servers, no matter how powerful they are, as you suggest. If it was that expensive Microsoft wouldn't do it to begin with. For another, it's not as difficult to set such a system up as you believe. Sony has had 3 or so years to work on one. Whether or not they've utilized that time in any way is uncertain. E3 will certainly be a show to watch this year. Either way, an online service similar to XBox Live could be set up in less than a year. And yes, Microsoft is in the buisness of software. But you forget that Sony is in the buisness of hardware, beyond gaming. And they have more than enough money. Sony may have financial problems, but they aren't nearly as bad as fan boys in this forum like to believe. Microsoft is the king of online. And they aren't going to lose anything if Sony goes online the same way. I'd even go so far as to say it would likely increase 360 sales if that happened. Casuals who only have experience with Sony would see how cool online service is and the ones with more cash to throw around would try the other systems as well. I applaud Microsoft for being the company to make online gaming something anyone can enjoy. But lemmings have to realise that this is one of those things that become a standard in gaming. Like the d pad sheep are always complaining was copied. It may or may not be seen through both the PS3 and the Revolution, but by next generation(PS4/X3/N6) it'll be standard. But it also won't be until that generation that the majority of gamers will be online. This generation will be used to tempt even those not interested in online gaming to plug their systems in. But this generation will not have the majority plugged in. As such, online won't really define this generation. It will just enhance it. Owned. Even as a self-confessed Xbox touter, I must admit that that was a phenomenal post. And you're right as well. A lot of Xbox fans are going to have to get over this fear of Sony copying the Xbox Live. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery and if Live goes on to be in any way hugely successful, do they honestly think that Sony will just ignore it....? But as for your belief that Sony will be able to put out a Live competitor within a year, I firmly disagree. It's one thing to build off of the innovations of an established product or service. It's quite another thing entirely to best it right out of the gate. Let's use the Xbox and the PlayStation 2 as an analogy. Microsoft wanted to replicate Sony's success in the console space with the Xbox. In doing so, they ticked off numerous neccessary boxes. Devloping a 'cool' image with the whole 'Xbox green' thing, a focus on mature and trendy games (unlike Nintendo), emphasising quantity and diversity of available software. However, despite their best intentions, it didn't stop them from making some high profile mistakes. Developing the worlds ugliest machine for a start. A large and unwieldy controller. Way too few quirky Japanese games. A dearth of Eastern RPGs and so on...... All this they're slowly but surely correcting with the Xbox 360. But it has taken them five years to get to this point I agree that a good PlayStation 3 online network is good for Xbox Live, as it can only broaden the appeal of online gaming for the casual gamer. However, I feel that your optimism that Sony will be able to develop a comparable service to Live in the near future is misplaced - spectacular E3 announcements or no spectacular E3 announcements. Xbox Live has simply had too big a head start and in any industry, over-taking the established leader is often a gruelling, lengthy task. Just look at the MP3 market, a contemporary industry that is analagous to the videogames industry. You need only look at the Zen's attempts to overtake the ubiquitous iPod model to see the one-step forward, three steps backward phenomenon at play. Yes, it has an FM radio and better battery. But it's industrial design is awful next to Apple's beauty, it's 'bulky' next to the slimmed elegance of the iPod, its software is bug-ridden and a complete inferior to iTunes....I could go on. i see no reason why Sony's service can hope to fare any better in the short term. It's just common sense
[QUOTE="kornslipknot999"][QUOTE="KenTa_613"]Online play is overrated. It's those speed runs like Metroid Prime and RE4 that impress me :?KenTa_613
Well then you obviously dont play online games! DOnt bother bying any new consoles because online is all they will be.
I own Halo, Wc III, and Counter Strike for PC. Those are probably the only games I enjoy online. I still prefer 1 player games. Only time I really like multiplayer is playin SSBM with my friends.
Folks... this is a prime example of how many people don't understand Xbox Live in its most current form.
Being online is NOT only for mutliplayer. Being connected to the online community has an effect on single player as well. Anyone with a 360 can attest to the power of Achievements and the gamescore. Text and voice messaging to get and give help from friends on your single player game. Friends list where you could see that, oh, FriendX is on level 8 of game X, fighting a boss. Now you know, just by looking, you have something to talk about next time you message him. It's like a living, breathing strategy guide written by you and your friends.
Then you have access to downloadable add-on content and demos of games you may not have tried yet.
So believe it or not, there's a single player focus....while you're ONLINE.
Yep. I've been saying this on and on. People ae going to ahve to expand their minds and realise that being online with the Xbox 360 doesn't just mean fragfests with Halo 2. It's all about being in the midst of a 360 degree (sorry!) entertainement bubble of communications, downloads, old-school gaming and of course, online gaming.
HOW many people go on XboX live?? this gen it was less than 5 Million
well in Jan of 2005 it was 1.4 http://www.xbox365.com/news/news.cgi/article/EEpyFFpyEZRZGNoyQV0617
There are 5 Million people playing WOW right now and that is just one of the MMOG so wouldn't you say that PC is the future of Online games??
How will such a small fraction of XboX 360 instaled base make a difference?? To me it may just make a difference to the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people who do not have BB who will feel short changed, and decide not to buy XboX 360!!
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You have to keep a proper perspective here.
The 1.4 mill is from a year ago. Original Xbox Live players have reached over 2 mill, about 10%. For a console, it's the best online attach rate in the industry. PS2 online is coming in at less than half that.
Also realize that broadband availability isn't going to stay static. It's been growing for years now and it will continue to grow. This is why I consider MS one of the pioneers in this area. And it's doing it the right way.
So far, MS is the only console that's successfully bringing the standardization of console gaming into the online realm. Step one right out of the games is to provide a quality experience. Quality in terms of standardization, convenience, useful features, and ease-of-use. Xbox Live 360 has that in spades. Whether people are aware of it, or are even ready for it... we'll just have to wait and see.
I can only account for myself, so all I can say is that I'm on board. I'll let the business men and industry analysts worry about the numbers. In the meantime, I'll be enjoying the benefits and forward-thinking that's built into Xbox Live 360.
There's one big thing people forget when they talk about online gaming penetration and attach rates. Wireless. When the PlayStation 2 came out in the year 2000, Broadband was a vapourware term. Just over five years later and look at how widespread it is. Now that prices are getting cheaper and cheaper (as Microsoft always predicted they would, despite Ken Kutaragi's derisions), the next step is to get people broadband connected with *wireless* routers. Why else do you think that the Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter has been such a visble peripheral? Believe me, I have a wireless network in my hose and once its setup, you will never look back. Convenience isn't the word. Like a lot of people, my Xbox is in room and my broadband modem-router is in the opposite side of the house. I used to have to string a 20ft ethernet cable across the houe, just to connect to Live, My mum was NOT happy! This is a situation in which many people find themselves. That is why wireless is the next crucial step. When people can connect their seperated equipment, then Xbox Live penetration will explode. People laughed in 2000 at the suggestion that broadband was the Next Big Thing. Watch this space for wireless connectivity
rainbow six lockdown is way cool also brothers in arm earned in blood has a great multi playerbipolar117I actually own Brothers In Arms: Earned In Blood. Great game. On the multiplayer modes side, how do both games fare, with regards to objective based games? I like the odd deathmatch here and there but I much prefer objectives. Which game has more?
It's sad that it's the only it has. Paul_TheGreatAnd all of the games that are/will be Xbox Live compatable?
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