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[QUOTE="EdVader"][QUOTE="The_Streets"]I hate Nintendo games because they're too cutesy and I don't want to play cute and cuddly games. Say this to a Nintendo fan, however and he'll scream at you to grow up and that you should focus on the gameplay. I hate this whole Nintendo and gameplay myth. Does Halo not have good gameplay? Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory? Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic? Forza Motorsport? Ninja Gaiden? Do you know what the big difference is? As well as having outstanding gameplay mechanics, these games ALSO have mature storylines, worlds and characters. What's wrong with having both? I'm sick of Nintendo fans slagging Xbox and PlayStation 2 fans and saying that we only care about image and not gameplay. I want games that play well yes, but also ones that have mature and engaging storylines. The problem with nintendo games is that they give you ONE thing - gameplay. But they're too cutesy. If you buy an Xbox or a PlayStation 2, you can have BOTH. Gameplay AND mature stories. Case closed. There's no way that Nintendo fans can argue this point.....dodgethiss007just watch a ninty say..."is teh RE4 kiddy, no!" only game they ever bring up when we talk about kiddy games. What about Zelda, Metroid, Super Smash? Are you considering all of those kiddy? I really want to know. None, technically. Ocarina wasn't, Metroid isn't and SSB is a fighter
[QUOTE="The_Streets"]Well, read it and see what it says mate!Nintendo_Ownes7I read most of it and you made some good points but OoT did have blood in the gold cartridge then it turned green in the normal color cartridge but I do agree with the most of the points you made! I'm glad that you did. That post basically sums up all my gripes with Nintendo machines and why I don't enjoy their games. No soul. Too kiddy and simple in their tone
[QUOTE="N00b777"][QUOTE="The_Streets"]I hate Nintendo games because they're too cutesy and I don't want to play cute and cuddly games. Say this to a Nintendo fan, however and he'll scream at you to grow up and that you should focus on the gameplay. I hate this whole Nintendo and gameplay myth. Does Halo not have good gameplay? Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory? Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic? Forza Motorsport? Ninja Gaiden? Do you know what the big difference is? As well as having outstanding gameplay mechanics, these games ALSO have mature storylines, worlds and characters. What's wrong with having both? I'm sick of Nintendo fans slagging Xbox and PlayStation 2 fans and saying that we only care about image and not gameplay. I want games that play well yes, but also ones that have mature and engaging storylines. The problem with nintendo games is that they give you ONE thing - gameplay. But they're too cutesy. If you buy an Xbox or a PlayStation 2, you can have BOTH. Gameplay AND mature stories. Case closed. There's no way that Nintendo fans can argue this point.....N00b777
Mature Stories, oh really so you only like R rated films and Hate sports right. But, But sports is teh mature if that was so then why are they played on a family station. What do you know more adults like sports and they're RATED g omg the kiddieness. Mature storyline really, so saveing a priness from a castle is kiddey, what about killing an evil king, or blowing up a planet and A huge Alien. Whats so cuddley about that. Oh FYI Forenza Motorsport is rated E http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/forzamotorsport/index.html?q=Forza%20Motorsport . Another thing is if you think games give you maturity you have lots to learn.
I'm still waiting on your reply to my response
What you said made no sense whatsoever. Convert it into proper syntax and i may give you an answer[QUOTE="The_Streets"]I hate Nintendo games because they're too cutesy and I don't want to play cute and cuddly games. Say this to a Nintendo fan, however and he'll scream at you to grow up and that you should focus on the gameplay. I hate this whole Nintendo and gameplay myth. Does Halo not have good gameplay? Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory? Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic? Forza Motorsport? Ninja Gaiden? Do you know what the big difference is? As well as having outstanding gameplay mechanics, these games ALSO have mature storylines, worlds and characters. What's wrong with having both? I'm sick of Nintendo fans slagging Xbox and PlayStation 2 fans and saying that we only care about image and not gameplay. I want games that play well yes, but also ones that have mature and engaging storylines. The problem with nintendo games is that they give you ONE thing - gameplay. But they're too cutesy. If you buy an Xbox or a PlayStation 2, you can have BOTH. Gameplay AND mature stories. Case closed. There's no way that Nintendo fans can argue this point.....i_like_pizza
While there certainly are some examples of good "mature" games, there are just as many examples as good "kiddy" games. Why can't you just leave it at that? What some people need to realize is that games aren't real. Games are make-believe, pretend, and that is an extremely "kiddy" concept, but yet, quite mature at the same time (movies, television, etc., etc., etc., it's all fake, just like mario, just like halo). You aren't a Ninja, you aren't a racecar driver, you aren't a secret agent, you aren't a fat plummer, you aren't an elf hero, you aren't a jedi. Who gives a crap what character you play in the game and what kind of storyline and setting there is behind it? It's all just make-believe. I can play as Mario and Snake in the same day, and not say, "Wow, Mario's storyline is so stupid compared to the Metal Gear Solid story." And do you know why? They both have the same exact credibility.... none. You can enjoy more "mature" games if you want to, but I, for one, realize that no game is real, and in that way, they're all very kiddy, and all very mature, and they're all in the same boat, from Link to Dante.
Great post. Well written. I disagree though. Yes, all games are make believe but are they any less so than films? The golden word is empathy. You cannot enjoy ANY videogame, film, book, album or any other piece of art unless it stirs your soul in some way. This is imperative. And the facts of the matter are and whether or not you want to accept this or not, the mass market intrinsically enjoys the PlayStation era style of games more so than they ever enjoyed the old Nintendo model. Fact. Why do people prefer to be a cyborg or gangbanger or super spy more than they enjoy being a fat I talian plumber? I honestly can't answer that. It's like saying, why makes one fall in love with someone else, or prefer a Chinese to a curry. There is no *real* valid reason. There's only a *because*. And the facts of the matter are that the most popular games are no longer bright and cheerful platform games. The majority of gamers now hate these games. Whatever their reasons, I have my own. Platformers NEVER give you a story. Never. And that's a dealbreaker for me. And most of Nintendo's non-platforming games follow this model as well. Riddle me this. Why has Nintendo's most successful game mainstream wise since the PSone game came out, also been the most mature and ambitious one. Zelda: Ocarina Of Time. Now that was a game. It had NO blood. NO gore. VERY LITTLE violence. It was kind of 'kiddy' if you want to use that word loosely. However he story was so well developed, the characters were so well drawn, the musical score was fantastic, it was emotional, it was endearing, fantastial, whimsical, the cinematic and art direction was superb... It had everything. Now, if I can appreciate that game, surely it proves that I'm not anti-Nintendo, especially as I owned a NES, SNES and N64 in my youth (I'm now 210. The point is, Metroid Prime apart, Nintendo games are so shallow. Take Mario Sunshine for example. Tell me why I should want to finish that game, beyond collecting the first few Stars? There's no plot, no point, no inner desire to see the next portion of the game. Similar with Pokemon and Animal Crossing and Pikmin, etc. All they are glorified games of Tetris. Big, elaborate puzzle games, where the only reward to be had is the satisfaction that you reached the end. PlayStation changed all this and gave us the likes of Resident Evil and Final Fantasy VII, where the new goal was to see what happens next in the story. They have fleshed out characters that you learn to care about, worlds that you want to save and movie-like scores that elicit emotional responses as you play. Halo 2 is a fine example of this. It is a sci-fi masterpeice. To all those that think it is poor story-wise, it's obviously good enough for an A list of Alex Garland, Peter Jackson, Fox and Universal to become involved with! The point is, Halo 2 is epic, gargantuan in scope, Hollywood style production values, a filmic score, characters with depth, a compelling story. All this makes it more than just a 'game'. It isn't one big puzzle game for me to simply 'figure out'. It is an interactive world. Artificial, sure. But I am being invited in to explore, assume a role and escape real life. Just like movies let you escape for 2 hours. Just for a while, I AM the Master Chief. I AM defending Earth from an alien onslaught. I AM humanitys last hope. And this is what makes games like this so powerful. They extend beyond being simple arbitrary combinations of A and B presses and transcend into being an 'event'. Something that enters your very soul. That you can atlk aout with your friends. By comparison, nintendo games are just vacuous, boring, lifeless and completely and utterly soulless. I can bounce around a level as mario for an hour or two but I eventually ask "why am I doing this". There's no exposition, no context, no *reason* why Mario is doing what he's doing. There's just a *because*. Just like Tetris[QUOTE="The_Streets"]And also, i loved Jet Set radio Future. that's cel-shaded, just like Wind Waker. But unlike Wind Waker, it's not a DUMB CARTOON ABOUT A LITTLE MONKEY BOY THAT HAS TO SAVE A LITTLE GIRL. Typical nintendo nonsense in the narrative departmentthardus317Okay, this post is aggravating. The vast majority of games out there, with the exception of certain sims, have you destroy someone or something in order to save someone or something. It's not about what happens at the end of the game that's important, it's about the substance in between the beginning and the end. Doesn't change the fact that the art direction, characters, enviroments and story were complete and utter twaddle. Rule number 1 of any drama, be it a game, film or music album. You must be able to engage with the actors of the piece. If the world or its inhabitants cannot instill a sense of empathy wthin its audience, then the audience cannot hope to ever enjoy the piece. WW art direction was rubbish, the characters and their personas was a load of old tosh and the story was twaddle. Not even a patch on the timelessly endearing Ocarina Of Time
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