At the beginning of this last gen I leaned more towards the 360, after a few years i started favoring the PS3 because of the Live fees and my unfortunate run with RRoD. Now this upcoming gen, I am leaning more towards the One again because it just looks like it has the better lineup. I am getting both at launch, but I am more hyped for the One than the PS4. There are 5 exclusives I want on the One at launch (Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, Ryse, Crimson Dragon, and Killer instinct) while I only want one exclusive game on the PS4 at launch (Killzone SF). Now I am super hyped for Infamous SS, which is looking phenomenal and a great addition to one of the best series and most underrated series of this last gen.

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I think people are gonna be disappointed with KI. The game was OK but nostalgia is causing people to remember it as being better than what it was.

I don't know, at one point I was 99% sure I was gonna ditch Xbox One for PS4 ... although I didn't really want to. Felt like I was being forced into it. Since then they've reversed most of the bad policies and although they haven't done anything major with the hardware they have made some small tweaks that make it sound a little better. So now I'm leaning a little towards PS4 but have another foot in the undecided column as well. If they improve the GPU in a significant way (They won't :( ) I'll pick Xbox One for sure.

Who knows, maybe I'll even end up getting both of them. If so it would be the first time I've done that since Genesis and SNES. But that can only happen if Xbox One's graphics processing stays as it is said to be now. If they were to close that gap I wouldn't bother with PS4 at all.

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[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"] No Link for you my friend! The X1 is full of secrets that you can never understand. Tune into PAX ............Your favorite Epic games will be there to announce??????? AWWWWWEEEEEE YYEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH. FoxbatAlpha

So now it's PAX, eh? I'm right there with ya, man. :D Every show that comes up I keep hoping they'll announce that they've improved the GPU in some way. It's the only significant thing wrong with the system, the one thing that keeps it behind PS4 (Others will point to the memory type but that's overblown). But at some point we've gotta give up on it. I've reached that point. They ain't gonna improve the GPU. There doesn't appear to be the will to do it and there ain't enough time left even if the will was there (It could very well be in full-scale production by now for all I know). I'd love for the stuff that misterxmedia claims to be true, or even just partially true: After all, I've heard that APUs coupled with dGPUs running in parallel is something to expect in electronic products in the future anyway. But c'mon, it ain't gonna happen. It's utterly impossible to keep something that huge from leaking. Devs all over the world have dev kits and they haven't said a peep about such a thing. If there was gonna be a secondary graphics processor in there we'd all know it for sure by now.

Where did you hear that only a few studios have the latest dev kits? I mean, you didn't even list the likes of EA and Activision. I find it difficult to believe that huge publishers like those wouldn't have the newest iterations.

Edit: Oops, maybe DICE is owned by EA. Can't remember for sure. But anyway, even if that's the case it still seems a little unbelievable to me.

Damn it, Rainbow Six: Vegas is one of them! They keep picking games I already have. :evil:

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[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"]The internals are set up very smart for the X1. They have a processor for everything. We just learned that the sound has its own processor. Kinect has its own processor too! All this frees up the CPU. Did you know that Sony's Eye Toy runs off the CPU and chews up a tremendous amount of power? FoxbatAlpha

Oh really wait isn't this what mark Cerny say about the PS4 since February that it has dedicated hardware for different things and to save game resources.?

The PS4 even has a second CPU ARM one..:lol:

Encoder decoders,audio chip,the audio block on the xbox one account for 8 of those such processors dude..:lol:

Why do you think recording game is transparent on PS4.? without hit to performance like FRAPs has on PC.? O yeah there is hardware for that,oh and it records 15 minutes,vs the xbox one miserable 5 minutes.

And word is running that you can actually record more and that the 15 minuted limit is actually what the PS4 is constantly recording all the time.

Link to where it say the PS4 has a great CPU hit with the PS4 eye,and by the way the PS4 eye is not mandatory so tough luck for you dude.

So now it's PAX, eh? I'm right there with ya, man. :D Every show that comes up I keep hoping they'll announce that they've improved the GPU in some way. It's the only significant thing wrong with the system, the one thing that keeps it behind PS4 (Others will point to the memory type but that's overblown). But at some point we've gotta give up on it. I've reached that point. They ain't gonna improve the GPU. There doesn't appear to be the will to do it and there ain't enough time left even if the will was there (It could very well be in full-scale production by now for all I know). I'd love for the stuff that misterxmedia claims to be true, or even just partially true: After all, I've heard that APUs coupled with dGPUs running in parallel is something to expect in electronic products in the future anyway. But c'mon, it ain't gonna happen. It's utterly impossible to keep something that huge from leaking. Devs all over the world have dev kits and they haven't said a peep about such a thing. If there was gonna be a secondary graphics processor in there we'd all know it for sure by now.

Those 0.3 Ghz won't matter. A better gpu and GDDR5 will.mapls

Having read numerous articles about it now I'm convinced that memory bandwidth is not going to be a problem with Xbox One. Yes, it's DDR3 but they've supercharged it with a lot of custom hardware. At the end of the day bandwidth on these two consoles is going to be about the same, the way it works will be the thing that separates them. The damage the DDR3 does do, however, is that its inclusion is responsible for the weaker GPU. All that custom hardware on the die to speed it up resulted in less graphics processors on the die. So yeah, the GPU is weaker but bandwidth will not be an issue.

I have also heard this. MS has not disclosed everything inside yet and what it's doing. There is more to be revealed including the possibility of a second GPU they have been hiding. Also a a move engine and a 8GB flash memory that just came out of nowhere.FoxbatAlpha

A second GPU? I hope you're getting that from a better source than misterxmedia.

I will admit that the wording confuses me. Not sure what that symbol before 1.9 ghz means. Not sure if he's saying it is 1.9 ghz, or less than 1.9 ghz, hence the ? in the title.

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/29/a-deep-dive-into-microsofts-xbox-ones-architecture/

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The CPUs connect to four 64b wide 2GB DDR3-2133 channels for a grand total of 68GB/sec bandwidth. Do note that this number exactly matches the width of a single on-die memory block. One interesting thing to note is that the speed of the CPU MMUs coherent link to the DRAM controller is only 30GBps, something that strongly suggests that Microsoft sticks with Jaguars half-clock speed NB. If the NB to DRAM controller is 256b/32B wide, that would mean it runs at about 938MHz, 1.88GHz if it is 128b/16B wide.

SemiAccurate would be very surprised if it was 128b wide, wires are cheap, power saving areas not. Why is this important? Unless Microsofts XBox One architects are masochists that enjoy doing needless and annoying work they would not have reinvented the wheel and put an arbitrarily clockable asynchronous interface between the NB and the CPU cores/L2s. Added complexity, lowered performance, and die penalty for absolutely no useful upside is not a good architectural decision. That means the XBox Ones 8 Jaguar cores are clocked at ~1.9GHz, something that wasnt announced at Hot Chips. Now you know.

A similar article:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/164934-xbox-one-bus-bandwidths-graphics-capabilities-and-odd-soc-architecture-confirmed-by-microsoft

Quote: "If the cache really is 1024 bits wide, and the developers can make suitable use of it, then the Xbox Ones performance might surprise us."