[QUOTE="btk2k2"]Yea, I do not get it. The only difference a smaller bus makes is less memory bandwidth, if you overclock the memory you can get some of that back so a 7790 is a pretty good benchmark to get an idea of the X1 GPU performance. It will never be exact so his obsession with bus rates, register cache, primary rates seems really strange.tormentos

Another good one from him is how he thinks that the xbox one will be better than the 7790 because it has more bandwidth,so you picture him a scenario and he answer telling you the 7790 doesn't have 133Gb/s alpha blending(which by the way is not confirmed but rumored by DF and MS was the source) but when you tell him that the xbox one doesn't have the speed,CU,SP or TF performance of the 7790 he ignores it.

The 7790 actually has 1.79 TF vs the xbox one 1.31 without the 10% and 1.18 with the 10% DPu reservation.

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That is another thing MS already lie about Bandwidth on the xbox 360 and Major Nelson claimed with charts and all that the xbox 360 destroyed the PS3 Banwidth wise,and actually used a similar situation from the 360 to claim 278GB/s by adding bandwidth together.

Any argument on bandwidth from MS should be taken with a truck load of salt MS love to play scenarios that will never ever take shape on consoles.

You guys can argue about bandwidth all you want but the reality is neither of you know exactly what the capabilities of the ESRAM in Xbox One are or how fast it is. Nor do you know how many problems, if any, it's going to give developers. The only thing we know for certain is that its inclusion (The data move engines as well) is the reason there's less CUs and ROPs in it than there is in PS4. I don't know for sure but my guess is that devs aren't going to have bandwidth problems with Xbox One. It'll be fast enough in that regard. But there's no getting around it having only 12 CUs and 16 ROPs. Because of that PS4 is clearly the superior hardware.

Not scared enough. They should have delayed Xbox One to redesign the GPU and switch over to Volcanic Islands architecture in the process. They could also have used the delay to redesign the memory architecture. They didn't partially because these companies are obsessed with how they do early on. But I think that's the wrong approach. It's a marathon, not a sprint. PS3 eventually surpassed X360 in sales after all.

PS4 is $100 cheaper and PS+ is $10 cheaper a year than XBL Gold, plus it comes with 9 free games. You need XBL Gold just to activate hardware features on the XB1. This is a no-brainer. Microsoft has cemented it's reputation as a money-gouger in its final years of relevance as it slowly dies to Apple, Google and now Sony on three different fronts (Desktops, Mobile and Consoles). Windows 8+Windows Phone/Surface + XB1 = FuneralNetherscourge

I agree that all the free games that come with PSN+ are nice, especially considering that they aren't old, irrelevant ones. But from a business perspective it doesn't make sense to me. If you're gonna give so many away what incentive is left for the consumer to buy any?

This thread doesn't make sense to me. How is it bad or strange or inappropriate to put down something that is bad? If you're walking down the road and you see a pile of poo you try to avoid stepping in it, right? You might even say to your friend "There's shit right there. Stay away from it." Same sort of thing.

I don't know about lying but a pattern I've noticed with Sony so far when it comes to PS4 is that they like to remain slient about anything and everything until MS says what they're gonna do.

I don't think Street Fighter is going anywhere soon. SF4 made it popular again.

If MS could get PS4's 50% graphics processing advantage down to 20% or so (They won't. They've had months and the only thing they've accomplished is a meager 53 mhz upclock to the GPU. 1960s era Americans were able to land on the moon but apparently it's impossible in 2013 to improve Xbox One) I'd go with Xbox One for sure. But with it being 40%-50% more powerful like it is right now that's such a giant difference that it makes it difficult to not go with PS4.

If it was an online poll I can see it going down that way. Don't know why but the internet is dominated by Sony fans. I know Xbox fans are out there cuz there's been over 75 million 360s sold. But they don't seem to post at places like this as often as Playstation owners for whatever reason.

I don't get why it matters. Both store energy and have to be recharged. I guess they're shaped differently. Big deal.

I can't believe these pro Wii and Wii U threads. If Nintendo has its way console gaming will be reduced to pocket calculators being sold for $400 with games that we already played 30 years ago! Them failing is a good thing ... hell ... it's a fantastic thing.