still wrong TC. PS4's bigger GPU will prove to be advantageous in the future. I don't think you know more than an architect with years of experience in hardware and software.

"Mark Cerny: That comes from a leak and is not any form of formal evangelisation. The point is the hardware is intentionally not 100 per cent round. It has a little bit more ALU in it than it would if you were thinking strictly about graphics. As a result of that you have an opportunity, you could say an incentivisation, to use that ALU for GPGPU."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-face-to-face-with-mark-cerny

@Wickerman777:

In X1's case, MS could have spent an additional $150.00 on stronger APU CPU instead of Kinect :o But ya didn't hear that from me. :P

This is true, but the goal here was to design a machine that could get the job done at a low price. If a console cost as much as a gaming PC not to many people would make the purchase. Just look at the amount of people that jumped ship to the PS4 because it was cheaper and suppose to be way more powerful. IMO you have the X1 a little low, more like 60-65%

No one said the PS4 was weak, in fact it is more powerful that the X1, but not as much as people are saying.

Not only to the cloud, Xbox One is also able to do GPGPU. So not sure why PS4 owners think GPGPU is going to be the savior of the PS4.

Well I explained it already in the first post, since he doesn't understand it, I used an extreme example

0.015 what ? terahz

nobody uses that lol

CAN GPGPU, that remains to be seen if that will make the ps4 more performant than the xboxone, the cpu bottleneck will always be there, and the xboxone will always have an advantage there.

If the ps3's performance was purely theoretical, why did scientist buy it to build supercomputers. The animation in the last of us is a showcase of what the ps3 can do, the x360 could never pull that off, you will never see such a difference on the xboxone and ps4, because cpu and gpu are simply not that far apart.

well, it does seem to get the x1 on par with multiplats right now.

Well not really since in gta V, you can have high speed chases without having fps drops, so in some cases the xboxone actually performs better. Games that will be cpu hogs will tend to run better on the x1 even if sony has a lot of tricks to let the gpu do cpu work, it will be a bottleneck forever, since gpu's aren't made to cpu work. If they actually manage to bridge that gap with the x1 in the cpu departement with the gpu, they will have less resources than the x1 for graphics. Don't forget it's a 7770 in there with a 256 bit bus connected straight to that esram. Because of that experts say the performance of the gpu in x1 is comparable to a hd 7790, and that is true. The difference between the hd 7790 and hd 7850 (ps4) is not that big.

The memory bandwith is not usefull as well, since the memory bandwith could only have an advantage for communication with the cpu, since it's bottlenecking, that doesn't help. You could say that it's usefull for the gpu, but that hd 7850 just needs that kind of bandwith, the x1 gpu doesn't since it has less shader cores and that esram isn't calculated within the main bandwith, so that gives a warped image.

The x1 is also 50$ cheaper and as a multimedia system the xboxone is better because it's way better at multitasking. Personally i prefer the x1 controller as well (but that's just a matter of taste) What i'm saying is, buying a ps4 for performance is ridiculous, since there's hardly any difference. It will not give you the better multiplat experience (or it is with lauch games). Some games may be marginally better, but some games will be marginally better on the x1 as well.

Sony is not very good at maximimizing performance on a console, the ps3 is a great example of it. Maybe sony will manage to do something extra late in this gen like with the last of us on the ps3, but the difference between the ps3 and x360 was way bigger than the difference between the ps4 and x1, so it's kinda hard to know what to expect, when to expect it and you'll be paying extra. At launch the ps4 was of course a way better deal if you didn't want a kinect but that time is long gone. You pay 350$ for a xboxone right now and they have some nice bundles.

Controller, exclusives, price and features is what should be your guidance for making a decision,