If anyone doubts the similarities between hardcore punk and metal, check out this vid:

Sick of It All-Take The Night off

This song is the missing link between hardcore punk and metal I swear to God.

LostProphetFLCL

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

It depends on the extent. Green Day's guitarist for example, is pretty darned awful. But he takes what he can do and makes the best of it. Even though i'm not a fan, i can appreciate that they make some catchy stuff.

Fallout Boy, on the other hand, use the same recycled crap over and over again. Anybody with the slightest comprehension of music could recreate it.

If you honestly feel that you could pick up a guitar and replace a band member in a live show; there's something wrong.

LJS9502_basic

Ah...as to your last statement....you must admit....some bands are awful live. That IS where the true talent is shown. Studio recordings not so much.

?! no

death metal is quite possibly the most musically complex and intricate genres of contemporary music, to compare it to punk is laughable

MronoC

The earliest death metal bands basically played hardcore punk music with blast beats and speed runs.  Cryptic Slaughter especially.  

And LJ, I normally am not so uptight about labels, but people in the thread were saying metal lacked diversity, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

In all honesty, even with personal bias aside, metal is probably the most diverse of the popular genres of music.

LostProphetFLCL

However, most of those genres are simply offshoots of each other.  Death metal is actually an offshoot of punk, as is grind (Cryptic Slaughter).  Metalcore, deathcore, grindcore, etc., are all drawing off of hardcore, which also originated in punk.  Black metal is a blend of shock rock and hair metal (Alice Cooper and Venom).  Viking and folk metal draw from melodeath, which draws from death.  Essentially, all of it goes back to hair metal, punk, and hardcore.

[QUOTE="crucifine"] Some people, like LSJ, simply do not enjoy harsh music. Music is like philosophy, it's all subjective. Nothing is better than anything else as a rule, because then there wouldn't be any point to making something new or listening to something that isn't the best.

 

And BTW, LSJ, Robert Smith is working with Ashlee Simpson on her next album. He's crossed over! :P

LJS9502_basic

Ah....I didn't say one can't enjoy metal....I said basically the subgenres are very similiar. I did use to listen to "harsh" music..I've moved on. And that is a rumor that her dad started....so far, according to the band's website...it hasn't been confirmed and I've seen posts from fans yuck...that say he denied it. So we shall see.

No, but there are plenty of people who simply do not want to listen to grunts, screams, yells, double bass drums, heavily distorted guitars, and orchestrated cheesery. 

What would happen if it were true, though???  Would Ashlee dye her hair black again and get back her old nose and lips?  

Wasn't the original question 'what do you like more?'  Who the hell brought up skill level and variety?  And again, the metalheads disappoint me.  They pick horrible examples to showcase their points, and bring up the same point over and over again.  Let it die, you're not always right, you can't convince everybody. 


I may have picked metal (only because I've found more metal bands that I like than punk bands that I like), but I'm siding with LSJ and theEraser on this.  Your views of music are cyclopean, and supposed knowledge of 'skill it takes to play this or that' is lacking.  I'm fairly positive that the music major isn't very far along, if he thinks Dragonforce is the epitome of complex musical theory.

Some people, like LSJ, simply do not enjoy harsh music.  Music is like philosophy, it's all subjective.  Nothing is better than anything else as a rule, because then there wouldn't be any point to making something new or listening to something that isn't the best.

And BTW, LSJ, Robert Smith is working with Ashlee Simpson on her next album.  He's crossed over!  :P 

Anybody likes Unblack Metal? The Christian spin-off of Black Metal... When I first heard about this, I laughed really hard. Not that I'm a fan of black metal, it's just that I find this to be an ironic genre. Berzz