it's gotta be the og super mario bros for NES for me. It's like the Babe Ruth of video games. No matter how many games come along that are better, it's always viewed as sort of the holy grail and most recognizable game in video game history. Sure, games like SMB3, ocarina of time, the metal gear series, etc. may have been better for their time, but the original Super Mario is thesymbol of gaming history

All Time - Jim Kelly

he's always remember for the super bowl losses but is never remembered for how great he was. He was the last qb to call his own plays througout the game. he didn't have to worry about the radio's in the helmet or the hand signals from the sidelines cause he called all the plays. He gets overshadowed by the greats of his generation like Marino, Montana, Elway, etc. Talent wise he was just as good as any of them

ps. i'm not a fan so this isn't bias perspective, it's just facts.

Now - Andre Johnson

Straight Monster

EVERYONE ON THIS POST NEEDS TO GET THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! Vick didn't get 2 years for DOG FIGHTING, he got 2 years for being the HEAD, meaning FUNDING/BANKROLLING and illegal gambling operation that had 100's of thousands of dollars changing hands all while being an INTERSTATE COMMERCE offense. On top of that he lied to the feds about the situation. When you lie to the feds and they catch you, it is guaranteed you will get a harsher sentence. He could of done everything the same way and been honest from the start and wouldn't have got more than a 1 year sentence and would have been out in 8 months.

Once again, as discpicable as the killing of the dogs was, that wasn't his PRIMARY penalty. He did get in trouble for that, but the 2 years WAS NOT for killing dogs

[QUOTE="ghostphantom563"]I just find it amazing that you can drown pitbulls, serve a weak 1 1/2 years in prison, and still come back maybe make $7,000,000 in the next two years. I know that's a fairly anti-Vick statement and I know it's more complex then that but it's still amazing to me just in princble.Tjeremiah1988

i generally stay away from this topic because people get too passionate about it and are set in their ways. There is no point in arguing with people who have such strong feelings one way or the other, but i had to jump in on your comment. I'm just curious as to who the "white male" you are talking about is, cause if it's Mark Chmura, you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need to get your facts straight before posting. If it's not him i apologize for jumping your post.

ps. Yes Vick personally with his own hands, hung, beat with barb wire wrapped poles, electricuted with jumper cables, drowned, etc. for nearly a decade. And despite the cruelty of all that people need to get their facts straight on this case. They just look at what's on the surface and don't know the FACTS. The majority of his sentence was because he was the HEAD, meaning FUNDED and BANK ROLLED an ILLEGAL GAMBLING ring which over the years accounted for 100's of thousands of unclaimed dolllars being exchanged over an interstae commerce, NOT, i repeat NOT, for killing dogs. His trouble came in when he LIED to the feds. For any of you who ever get in trouble with the law at any point, DON'T LIE. He got caught lieing and had the book thrown at him. If he would have been honest up front he wouldn't have had the charges he did.

Man, i tried to stay away from these kind of "social" posts and i still type a damn essay. lol

sixth sense

here's the bottom line. The commissioner even told him when they met, that he is on a VERY SHORT LEASH. I'm not a Vick fan (not cause of his criminal activity, just thought he was extremely overrated), but one would have to believe that after ALL that has gone on with him over the past couple years, it would be nothing short of COMPLETE STUPIDITY for him to get in ANY kind of trouble. I expect him to be a model citizen for a long time, or at least until the cloud over him passes (which won't be anytime soon). If he messes up in any way, he's out the league for good. He knows that, he won't mess up

My Overrated Team:

Josh Smith (all flash, hardly any substance. He hasn't become the leader many people were hoping he would be)

Rudy Gay (low FG %, takes ill advised shots, very inconsistent, turns the ball over a lot, gets in early foul trouble)

Amare Stoudemire (with his athleticism he should be a much better defender but he's not)

Vince Carter (he puts up the stats but never became that leader like a D Wade or Kobe)

Steve Nash (terrible defender, he never averaged over 10 assist in a season until he came to the Suns and ran in D'Antoni's offense)

[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="sourcerah"] How do you know it won't work with those two athletes? The qb/rb duo's that have tried it in the past were no where as athletic as those two. Can u you name a duo that even comes close? I hope they do sign Vick so he can prove all the haters wrong. People seem to forget how good Vick was. People act like takin 2 years off will diminish his skill completely. It's called skill for a reason. Then people say he's not 25 anymore. WTF?!? The Vikings were just interested in signing a 40+ qb. How can you even bring age into the convo?? Plus, NONE of you know what Vick was doing inside. He could come back stronger and better than before with the only thing lacking is conditioning. That's nothing some suicides and snakes can't fix. Vick was the most athletic qb ever, Peterson could be the bes rb ever when it's all said and done. Some people need to just stop hating. I hope Vick comes back and demolishes your teams in the second half of the season sourcerah

Point 2. I said defensive lineman AND linebackers are damn NEAR the same speed when talking about SIDELINE to SIDELINE. I'm not talking about Albert Haynesworth or Shawn Rodgers, or any other guys in the middle, i'm talking about an end where the play would be made. A defensive end like dwight freeney or jason taylor can get to the end. How many times do you see a running back take a toss get to the sideline and take it to the house? Not very often. Most big runs come from straight up the gut and busting through the second level. It takes too long for a play to develop on the outside with the speed of the Defensive players of today. I'm not talking about running them down the field, i'm talking sideline to sideline. But for your argument, Adrian Peterson's 40 time = 4.35, Shawne Merriman = 4.61. Two of the best at their position. That looks pretty close to me. Certaintly close enough to get the angle and use the sideline as a second defender.

3rd point. Please tell me you aren't nieve enough to buy into the "wildcat" formation (aka the wishbone, aka there's a reason it hasn't been in use for decades). The play was a gimmick that cought people off guard. Do you really think that every defensive coordinator didn't set aside some time this offseason to prepare for that, unlike last year where it caught teams off guard. The Dolphins ran all over the Patriots when they CAUGHT THEM OFF GUARD. What happened the next time they played? Belicheck had time to prepare, the Dolphins had 66 TOTAL RUSHING YARDS and got blasted by 3 touchdowns. It's a gimmick, a fad, a trend, etc. And just like all of those, it will end with preperation.

Finally, you say horizontal plays haven't worked in the past but that doesn't mean they can't work in the present or future. You're right, it's possible. Me buying a lottery ticket hasn't worked in the past either, but that doesn't mean i can't win in the future. Look at college football and look at the prodominate offense used - THE SPREAD OPTION. Teams run and pass up and down the field in college with that offense. If the talent level is so close, why don't teams do that in the pros? Vince Young was the best i'd ever seen running that offense, he gets to Tennessee, Fisher tries to implement that as part of their offense, what happens? IT FAILS MISERABLY. There is TOO MUCH SPEED in the NFL to consistantly run horizontal plays. Now i'm not saying it wouldn't work if they used it as a gadget play 2 or 3 times a game, and have a run or HB pass option(sort of like a reverse, or flea flicker), but it will NEVER succeed as a part of the primary offense. Forget Vick, i don't care if Usain Bolt is running it. One man's speed won't get through a whole defense of similar speed, ESPECIALLY when you eliminate half the field which is what is done when you run the option, A HORIZONTAL PLAY THAT GOES EITHER LEFT OR RIGHT

[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="Pimp_Dog09"]

**** Farve and his inmature ways every year and now saying well maybe in November.

Anyway I had though this months ago. Vick should go and the Vikings should of already been begging to get him.

I know my football. And yes I know where ever Vick goes he will bring HUGE PR baggage.

But listen to logic here people. It is the perfect setup and the Vikings could be down right deadly with a Vick and Peterson in the back field combo. Minasota could basicly run some crazy boot leg pitchout Wildcat style offense and Team D's would be getting schooled they would not know what to do.

Ok just imagine Vick hut hut HIKE. Ok bootleg roll out fakes the pitch to Perterson and BAM he is gone for 20 + everytime. Or never mind go ahead and pitch it to Peterson. Man just do this BS all game and The Vikings would be freaking crazy. And of course throw in some deep ball passes sometimes and then go right back to the Harlem Globetrooters style Vick and Peterson show.

Oh by the way Perfect turf for Vick to play on also. It is Perfect . Someone WAKE the Vikings up to this RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

sourcerah