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#1 vIGAMEIv
Member since 2010 • 134 Posts

Hi

If, like me, you've boughtDell's flagshipStudio XPS 16

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dells...739bf3e4b72c77

with the quad-core i7 processor, the Radeon HD4670 graphics card, the full HD RGBLED screen and all the other goodies, then you'd be incensed to learn that it runs no faster than an old Pentium when you push it.

For some reason, the BIOS on this laptop throttles it under load, using trick after trick to stop it taking more than 90w from the arguably inadequate power supply that comes with this machine.

At worst, it can throttle clear down to only 12.5% of its potential.

This 18-page thread:
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/...x?PageIndex=18

on the Dell Community site shows that Dell is aware of the problem, and has promised a new BIOS to fix it; but that BIOS has always seemed to be '2 weeks away' ever since before Xmas.

And in this 157-page thread on the independent Notebook Review website:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...46193&page=154

those who fear their postings might be moderated out of existence on the Dell site give vent to their feelings, including the well-backed-up view that a 90w power supply will never suffice to allow full rein to the configuration of this laptop.

Which gives rise to the rather weird observation that if you run this laptop on its battery, rather than its mains adaptor, you suddenly get close to its expected performance, and your games stop stuttering, both on screen updates and sound, and you get much better fps.

And despite Dell requiring customer laptops back in order to 'research the problem' (although the next one off the production line would show this generic problem just as well) and not seemingly getting very far, a member of this forum called Unclewebb, who hasn't even got a 1645 (as this configuration is known) has published a program which documents, and ameliorates, the issue.

Using a Kill-A-Watt, as they are known in the States, or the equivalent wattage monitor that Maplins sell, you can see that the machine never pulls more than 90w in its delivered state.

Even if you run this laptop with Dell's 130w adaptor (which Dell are a bit huffy about you doing anyway), it throttles to never draw more than 90w.

And if you run Unclewebb's Throttlestop in monitor mode, you can see how Dell's BIOS is crippling the CPU and GPU to keep the laptop within those limits.

But providing you have the 130w adaptor, you can run the program in active mode, which circumvents the BIOS by restoring the settings every time the BIOS cripples them. The laptop then runs at maximum performance (showing that it can), but draws 110-120w (showing that the higher power is sorely needed). And it doesn't overheat; as Unclewebb observes, the CPU and GPU both have safety features that will limit them internally if they get too hot; and these features aren't seen to kick in.

So, it looks like Dell could yet get this machine right. But rumblings that there will be no recall of the 90w adaptors and issue of the 130w adaptors to customers with this throttled machine, and that Dell will restrict themselves to what they can do within the 90w limit that the very laws of physics show won't ever be enough, are causing frustrated owners to send these machines back, and buy HP Envys and Sony F11s. Both of which, by the way, come with 120w adaptors as standard.

Dell are still selling this configuration, and the reps are silent about the issues. Dell claims they only happen with gaming, are now saying this isn't a gaming machine, and have quietly withdrawn any claims that the 1645 is suitable for gaming from their website.

Trouble is, buy one, and the little manual that comes with it talks about - guess what? - its gaming potential. And Dell can't withdraw all those little books.

As to the returns, the ten pages of 1645s in the Dell Outlet tell this story only too clearly. If you go to pick up a bargain there, though, don't pay any more than you would for the Pentium laptop this runs like, instead of the i7 laptop it purports to be.

Best Regards

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#2 vIGAMEIv
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Out of the last 10 computers ive fixed with BSOD, 9 have been hardware issues. The other time it was driver issue.

Waiting on hold for dell there going to fix it or at least Diagnose it.I was surprised computer is like 4 years old lol
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#3 vIGAMEIv
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SO im ordeing my new computer and the existing desktop goes BLue screeen and says "A problem has been detected and Windows has been shutdownTo prevent damages"Im like wtf so I restart and keep getting that error I unplugged everything turned on the computer and it worked for 5 min untill I got it again,Now Im on my computer and it has not done it any body give me any pointers on what I should do?I need this to last untill the next one comes in but I have a fealing as soon as I shut it off its going to happen again.

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#4 vIGAMEIv
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[QUOTE="neatfeatguy"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

Your lack of ability to fully read and comprehend what is written is kind of amusing.

[QUOTE="neatfeatguy"] I believe the 5870 is more like the GTX 275 in a performance comparison, but I'm just going off memory here. I haven't checked benchmarks for a while. ironman388

Hench my comment about going off memory, I wasn't certain. Last time I checked benches on these things was prior to their release. How about just offering correct info and not try and come off as jerk in your response. You don't help the situation at all, you're just trolling. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It happens.

I would offer a thanks to ironman388 for the input about how the 5870 is more like the GTX 295, expect for the start of his comment - it could have done without it.

I guess I just don't understand the mentality of why people need to be so rude about how they comment on the forums. There are a lot of people I see post like that and there are some that are actually kind enough to correct wrong info without coming off as sounding like an inconsiderate prick....hmmm.

the guy could have already bought the computer with a gtx260 rather than a 5870 due to your accidental misinformation. got to get my point across, didnt mean to sound rude

I really almost did I was like well then its not worth the %150.00 diffrence I was waiting for more people to chim in and then I seen your thread with the chart but didnt want to correct anybody.

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#5 vIGAMEIv
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If you have money to burn why not go with Alienware? I would if I had cash to burn, but seeing as that day probably will never come, I'll stick to building my own/Ikavnieks

I think thats the thing too I mean if I was on a budget and I really really need a computer and I could build one and save $200.00 and $300.00 then yeah I would definatly say build one.Another thing I can say is if you were into phenom AMd then it would be alot cheaper to go with a Amd build and a 5870 card thats a huge savings because the Alienware only has the i7 option.

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#6 vIGAMEIv
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[QUOTE="Neo_revolution7"]

[QUOTE="vIGAMEIv"]

They are overpriced, and a joke.millerlight89

Thats cool and thats your opinion,but the parts inside are no joke.I mean I can build a table and save my mom $200.00 dollors I mean theres always some mark up.I just think we over due it by saying there far over priced.I mean Take my $1499.99 and see what you build Im just saying they make it seem like its over priced by alot.Everything in retail has a mark up.Even ibuypower.com only beat it by $50.00 and I actually talked to a rep from there.

thats understandable and this is just convo your decision on what u want get is totally up to u but the prob what i really do not like about getting pre-builds is yes they have warrenty and thats fine in all but when somethings goes wrong u either gotta sit on customer service line for 7 hours like i did got nothing worked out or send it back, 1600 dollars on a rig that only lasted 1 day after i got it sent it back got my money back and spent the same amount on the rig im using now have something that works everyday plus i can overlcock it whenever i want but thats just my rig not everyone is going to have the same prob with pre-builds just becarful Dell isnt that great-well atlest there customer service isnt : /

I totaly see your point as far as the customer service goes and if I had the same thing happen to me I would be the same way,However I think calling it a joke is a little Harsh because the parts I want and get are not cheap parts and they are not marked up insanly high Thats why I checked with other companys and I learned here from you guys how to compare prices and things of that nature.
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#7 vIGAMEIv
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[QUOTE="vIGAMEIv"]

Im about to buy a Alienware it is not as Overpriced as everyone says.My parts from newegg would of cost me $259.68 less.I guess it depends on what model you get

millerlight89

They are overpriced, and a joke.

Thats cool and thats your opinion,but the parts inside are no joke.I mean I can build a table and save my mom $200.00 dollors I mean theres always some mark up.I just think we over due it by saying there far over priced.I mean Take my $1499.99 and see what you build Im just saying they make it seem like its over priced by alot.Everything in retail has a mark up.Even ibuypower.com only beat it by $50.00 and I actually talked to a rep from there.I understand people that build it themselves put lots of pride in what they do and I understand that.

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Im about to buy a Alienware it is not as Overpriced as everyone says.My parts from newegg would of cost me $259.68 less.I guess it depends on what model you get

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#9 vIGAMEIv
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[QUOTE="neatfeatguy"][QUOTE="vIGAMEIv"]

How good is this card Single 1.8GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 260 compared to the radeon 5870.

millerlight89

The GTX 260 is a great card, it'll pretty much let you play any game out there maxed out. Compared to the 5870, I believe the 5870 is more like the GTX 275 in a performance comparison, but I'm just going off memory here. I haven't checked benchmarks for a while.

The 5870 is NOT like the gtx275! Where do you come up with this stuff?

thanks forconfirmation onthatmiller

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#10 vIGAMEIv
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Mine can last for more than 3 yrs thanks to a huge video card upgrade I did from a 8800GT to a gtx 260 still a really good card right now. And look at the rest of my specs it should last me a couple more yrs since I play on a 22 inch LCD.Hekynn
Thats why with this computer Im thinking about adding a ati 5870 and call it a day.