British police arrest 6 men for burning Quran

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While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

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While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

psychobrew

English law puts public safety above all else, if that's barbaric then I'm conan.

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While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

Espada12

English law puts public safety above all else, if that's barbaric then I'm conan.

What's barbaric is trampling on the human right of self expression and freedom of speech.

Why can't we just let them burn Qur'ans? =/ghoklebutter

yes and we were muslims,its just piece of paper

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While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

psychobrew

English law puts public safety above all else, if that's barbaric then I'm conan.

What's barbaric is trampling on the human right of self expression and freedom of speech.

What's barbaric is trampling on the human right of self expression and freedom of speech.

psychobrew

Well they get trampled, whoop tee doo. Public safety > individual rights.

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What's barbaric is trampling on the human right of self expression and freedom of speech.

Espada12

Well they get trampled, whoop tee doo. Public safety > individual rights.

So arrest the people that are doing harm.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

English law puts public safety above all else, if that's barbaric then I'm conan.

SaudiFury

What's barbaric is trampling on the human right of self expression and freedom of speech.

How am I being selective? I never said anything about those.

Burning it is just provoking public backlash of the muslim community. Do you see people burning the holy bible?

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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

What's barbaric is trampling on the human right of self expression and freedom of speech.

psychobrew

Well they get trampled, whoop tee doo. Public safety > individual rights.

So arrest the people that are doing harm.

They are.

Burning it is just provoking public backlash of the muslim community. Do you see people burning the holy bible?

pride93x

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Burning it is just provoking public backlash of the muslim community. Do you see people burning the holy bible?

Messiahbolical-

in fact for Muslims it's a bit blasphemous as the stories of the Prophets are either exactly of very nearly (with a few differences here and there) the exact same stories... but it's not right to do so and is a great insult.

I as a Muslim apologize for those actions.

but turning around and burning Quran's isn't gonna make the situation any better...

[QUOTE="pride93x"]

Burning it is just provoking public backlash of the muslim community. Do you see people burning the holy bible?

Messiahbolical-

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Well they get trampled, whoop tee doo. Public safety > individual rights.

Espada12

So arrest the people that are doing harm.

They are.

Burning a book or calling someone a name isn't putting anyone's life at risk. People that riot over the act are. It's those people who overreact that should be arrested (if they physically harm someone).

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[QUOTE="pride93x"]

Burning it is just provoking public backlash of the muslim community. Do you see people burning the holy bible?

SaudiFury

in fact for Muslims it's a bit blasphemous as the stories of the Prophets are either exactly of very nearly (with a few differences here and there) the exact same stories... but it's not right to do so and is a great insult.

I as a Muslim apologize for those actions.

but turning around and burning Quran's isn't gonna make the situation any better...

^this, and I may not really have much say but I apologize to you for having to put up with so much slander toward your religion. :(

Muslims are cool, but I'm not a fan of the extremest (same goes for my own religion)

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Well they get trampled, whoop tee doo. Public safety > individual rights.

Espada12

So arrest the people that are doing harm.

They are.

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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

So arrest the people that are doing harm.

PernicioEnigma

They are.

I see this wasn't planned Allah longGHlegend77

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So arrest the people that are doing harm.

PernicioEnigma

They are.

Nope, but when these silly extremist act out they get the same treatment as though he try to provoke reactions from them :)

Burning a book or calling someone a name isn't putting anyone's life at risk. People that riot over the act are. It's those people who overreact that should be arrested (if they physically harm someone).

psychobrew

If you know it will cause people to riot then you arrest the source of the problem, not the effect.

[QUOTE="GHlegend77"]I see this wasn't planned Allah longghoklebutter

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="GHlegend77"]I see this wasn't planned Allah longGHlegend77

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While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

Espada12

English law puts public safety above all else, if that's barbaric then I'm conan.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

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While I think the six menarekind of ignorant and backwards for burning the Qurans, I can't believe you can be arrested for doing something like that in England.Is English lawreally that barbaric?

Jacobistheman

English law puts public safety above all else, if that's barbaric then I'm conan.

Useless quote that doesn't apply to the modern age.

Glad I don't live in England.

I'd rather not live in a country that stifles free speech like that.

Espada has made it rather clear he'd be quite happy in a 1984 type world as long as the government told him it'd make him safer.

What? It's a great quote that still applies today. I agree with it.MoonMarvel

So trading some of your freedom for security means you shouldn't get either? Sounds like something an extremist would say.

Espada has made it rather clear he'd be quite happy in a 1984 type world as long as the government told him it'd make him safer.

Pixel-Pirate

Yes, I much prefer that than people provoking other for the sake of freedom, those people are a pest on society and should be jailed.

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What? It's a great quote that still applies today. I agree with it.MoonMarvel

So trading some of your freedom for security means you shouldn't get either? Sounds like something an extremist would say.

I understand it fully well. I know what it means with regard to the English and the Americans.

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Espada has made it rather clear he'd be quite happy in a 1984 type world as long as the government told him it'd make him safer.

MoonMarvel

Yes, I much prefer that than people provoking other for the sake of freedom, those people are a pest on society and should be jailed.

Remember kids....

I understand it fully well. I know what it means with regard to the English and the Americans.

Espada12

No, you might understand the words but you don't seem to understand what it means. Things like the Patriot Act in the US, that were brought in to deprive certain civil liberties under the guise of increased security, are an absolute abomination to free speech and democracy. If you don't understand that now, you probably never will.

On-topic, since it's okay in the States for the KKK/white supremacists to parade in front of the white house with no ramifications (though it incites violence), I see no reason why people can't burn holy books. It's ridiculous.

So you would happily live in a Dystopia?

A dystopia (alternatively, cacotopia,[1] or anti-utopia) is, in literature, an often futuristic society that has degraded into a repressive and controlled state, often under the guise of being utopian.MoonMarvel

I'll pass.

Nope, but those who set out to provoke and disrupt society in the name of freedom need to be put in their place. But it seems you all want to live in some fairy tail world where there are no consequences for things you do. Freedom of Speech is an illusion anyway.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I understand it fully well. I know what it means with regard to the English and the Americans.

raynimrod

No, you might understand the words but you don't seem to understand what it means. Things like the Patriot Act in the US, that were brought in to deprive certain civil liberties under the guise of increased security, are an absolute abomination to free speech and democracy. If you don't understand that now, you probably never will.

On-topic, since it's okay in the States for the KKK/white supremacists to parade in front of the white house with no ramifications (though it incites violence), I see no reason why people can't burn holy books. It's ridiculous.

As I said, I understand fully well what it means and what he was referring to. Let me ask you something what would you prefer more 9/11s or a patriot act that doesn't directly affect you?

Also, KKK and such aren't allowed in the UK infact leaders of white supremacist groups are all banned from the UK.

But you just told Pixel you would and now you tell me you wont? Which is it? And we dont want to live in a "fairy tale world", we just don't support violating people civil rights out of fear of the reaction to it. Which may or may not be negative, in other words we dont to violate people rights based on paranoia.MoonMarvel

I told pixel I PREFER that over people disrupting society for the sake of freedom not that I would live there, but I PREFER it. Laws inherently limit freedom, true freedom this day and age is a myth and died with the American Indian nations. People can scream freedom all they want, it truly does not exist.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I understand it fully well. I know what it means with regard to the English and the Americans.

Espada12

No, you might understand the words but you don't seem to understand what it means. Things like the Patriot Act in the US, that were brought in to deprive certain civil liberties under the guise of increased security, are an absolute abomination to free speech and democracy. If you don't understand that now, you probably never will.

On-topic, since it's okay in the States for the KKK/white supremacists to parade in front of the white house with no ramifications (though it incites violence), I see no reason why people can't burn holy books. It's ridiculous.

As I said, I understand fully well what it means and what he was referring to. Let me ask you something what would you prefer more 9/11s or a patriot act that doesn't directly affect you?

Also, KKK and such aren't allowed in the UK infact leaders of white supremacist groups are all banned from the UK.

Firstly, as far as I'm concerned, 9/11 was an inside job, so getting into a debate with me about the government's attempts at preventing more inside jobs doesn't make sense to me. To me, 9/11 was perpetrated for many reasons, one of which was so that the Patriot Act could be introduced in the first place - more fear, more control, citizens willingly give up their civil rights. However, this is another topic entirely and not something we should get into here.

Seocondly, how does the Patriot Act not directly affect a US citizen? It's clear in the Act that the deprivation of civil liberties are those of the general population, or whoever "they" want - last time I checked, that would be any US citizen.

Thirdly, I know supremacist groups are not allowed in the UK - I specifically said "the States". I'm just drawing a parallel for those who don't know what is acceptable in other western democracies.

Firstly, as far as I'm concerned, 9/11 was an inside job, so getting into a debate with me about the government's attempts at preventing more inside jobs doesn't make sense to me. To me, 9/11 was perpetrated for many reasons, one of which was so that the Patriot Act could be introduced in the first place - more fear, more control, citizens willingly give up their civil rights. However, this is another topic entirely and not something we should get into here.

Seocondly, how does the Patriot Act not directly affect a US citizen? It's clear in the Act that the deprivation of civil liberties are those of the general population, or whoever "they" want - last time I checked, that would be any US citizen.

Thirdly, I know supremacist groups are not allowed in the UK - I specifically said "the States". I'm just drawing a parallel for those who don't know what is acceptable in other western democracies.

raynimrod

Other western democracies? You just mean America right? I really hope so because I can point out many many instances of freedom being denied in Europe for security or other reasons.

Liberals like to point at Europe when it comes to being the for front of rights and such, but in reality they are pretty bad. As for the whole 9/11 thing.. well I'll just say I do not agree.

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Firstly, as far as I'm concerned, 9/11 was an inside job, so getting into a debate with me about the government's attempts at preventing more inside jobs doesn't make sense to me. To me, 9/11 was perpetrated for many reasons, one of which was so that the Patriot Act could be introduced in the first place - more fear, more control, citizens willingly give up their civil rights. However, this is another topic entirely and not something we should get into here.

Seocondly, how does the Patriot Act not directly affect a US citizen? It's clear in the Act that the deprivation of civil liberties are those of the general population, or whoever "they" want - last time I checked, that would be any US citizen.

Thirdly, I know supremacist groups are not allowed in the UK - I specifically said "the States". I'm just drawing a parallel for those who don't know what is acceptable in other western democracies.

Espada12

Other western democracies? You just mean America right? I really hope so because I can point out many many instances of freedom being denied in Europe for security or other reasons.

It was America in that instance. In all honesty, I think it's unbelievable that white supremacists are allowed to parade the streets inciting racial violence. I don't think burning holy books in public should be allowed, but in private I see no reason why there should be any issues with that. It certainly shouldn't warrant police interference!

It was America in that instance. In all honesty, I think it's unbelievable that white supremacists are allowed to parade the streets inciting racial violence. I don't think burning holy books in public should be allowed, but in private I see no reason why there should be any issues with that. It certainly shouldn't warrant police interference!

raynimrod

So you pretty much agree with me? Because I think that's pretty unbelievable as well, but as usual people want to go to extremes with things. Take freedom of speech to an extreme and that is what you get. The british decide to limit it and have found very good middle ground.