How can I get this guy fired?

To the people who are telling Geezer to be more understanding: shut the **** up.

He was offended, and he wants the guy fired. Is that so hard to understand? He's not projecting. He's not compensating for his burnt-out lungs. He just wants that jackass fired. And do you guys know why? Because he's a ****ing human being (and apparently, you guys aren't), and it's survival of the fittest. That guy isn't fit to survive at his workplace, and that's his fault, not anybody else's.

On another note, you probably shouldn't get him fired. You might not realize it, but those indignant, self-righteous types are the best around.

Greatgone12

dude I can totally understand his perspective and, as a smoker, can empathize with Geezer.

But there are two things that bug me:

1. The clerk is not your typical anti-smoking d-bag. Most antismoking types are like "Oh, what're you doing!? Trying to kill yourself?" or "Oh, buying some more of the coffin nails, eh?" Unlike those jerks, this clerk was actually cheerful about it...or at least seemed that way. More importantly, he did not deny Geezer the cigarettes.

2. If Geezer wants to respond, thats fine. He has every right to be somewhat pissed. But to get a guy fired over this is what the judicial system calls "cruel and unusual punishment" iirc; in short, the would-be punishment (getting the guy fired) does not fit the crime (attemping to be helpful, yet being offensive while doing it).

On that note, how on earth does "survival of the fittest" come into this argument? Its simply a case of a person trying to be helpful, yet being too naive/ignorant to know his help is not wanted and is mildly offensive. The clerk being an idiot does not in anyway threaten Geezer's existence.

Or does it? Maybe he is spiking the tobacco with rat poison! Kill him, Geezer, its the only way to survive! Firing him would be too light of a punishment!

1. The clerk is not your typical anti-smoking d-bag. Most antismoking types are like "Oh, what're you doing!? Trying to kill yourself?" or "Oh, buying some more of the coffin nails, eh?" Unlike those jerks, this clerk was actually cheerful about it...or at least seemed that way. More importantly, he did not deny Geezer the cigarettes.mrbojangles25

2. If Geezer wants to respond, thats fine. He has every right to be somewhat pissed. But to get a guy fired over this is what the judicial system calls "cruel and unusual punishment" iirc; in short, the would-be punishment (getting the guy fired) does not fit the crime (attemping to be helpful, yet being offensive while doing it).mrbojangles25

And on the subject of cruel and unusual punishment, there's a lot crueler and more unusual punishments currently being employed that we should get rid of, dontchathink? Let's focus on those, first.

On that note, how on earth does "survival of the fittest" come into this argument? Its simply a case of a person trying to be helpful, yet being too naive/ignorant to know his help is not wanted and is mildly offensive. The clerk being an idiot does not in anyway threaten Geezer's existence.

Or does it? Maybe he is spiking the tobacco with rat poison! Kill him, Geezer, its the only way to survive! Firing him would be too light of a punishment!

mrbojangles25

I am not using a literal "survival of the fittest" argument. I am merely saying, [perhaps] half-jokingly, that the man is not fit to be working in that environment and with the people, and so shouldn't be. To say "survival of the fittest" is more powerful phrasing, as I'm sure you would agree.

he's looking out fot you.

a few years back when i used to play runescape, my friend said you should quit, the game is bad for you. i just took the advice. don't always jump to conclusons, he might become your best friend.

he's looking out fot you.

a few years back when i used to play runescape, my friend said you should quit, the game is bad for you. i just took the advice. don't always jump to conclusons, he might become your best friend.

Freak him out!

stalk him untill you find a nasty habit he has then every time you see him bring it up.

Eventually he will get so mad and quit or just shut up.

He was offended, and he wants the guy fired. Is that so hard to understand? He's not projecting. He's not compensating for his burnt-out lungs. He just wants that jackass fired. And do you guys know why? Because he's a ****ing human being (and apparently, you guys aren't), and it's survival of the fittest. That guy isn't fit to survive at his workplace, and that's his fault, not anybody else's.

Greatgone12

I would say that it is pretty darn hard to understand that his first reaction would be to try to get the guy fired as opposed to just telling him to stop, yes. Survival of the fittest doesn't mean that your first reaction to every situation should be to be as big a jerk to the other guy as possible when you have no evidence whatsoever of malicious intent on his part.

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake_7"]

So basically, the guy tells you that smoking is bad for you and you´re gonna get him fired without even pausing to at least think that his job may be very important to him

Wow dude, just wow.

MrGeezer

Sorry, but he's in the business of selling cigarettes. It's not his job to insult customers for buying a product that he sells. If he REALLY has that much of a problem with people smoking, then he's really in the wrong business.

So anyway, there's this one convenience store that I go to a lot, because it's open 24 hours and I pass it on my way back home from work. But there's this new guy who works there who's a total ass. I go in there to buy cigarettes and he's like "you should stop smoking so much, you'll get cancer."

Yeah, whatever. As if I take any of my advice from a damn gas station cashier.

Anyway, yesterday I went there and bought a pack of cigarettes and he said "Good boy! Down to one pack a day!" And that's when I decided that he needs to lose his job.

So...I'm probably going to complain to management. Can't do that yet though, since I don't know his name and he doesn't wear a nametag. I went there tonight with the intention of asking him what his name was, but he wasn't working tonight. Anyway, I plan on doing that. The only problem is that gas station cashiers only get fired out of extreme incompetence. The last manager who worked there used to always give me free stuff, used to brag to me about the girls he had sex with in the restroom during business hours, and he once told me about how he brought in his X-Box, unhooked the security equipment from the TV so that he could play Halo in the back room while customers were waiting around lined up at the cash register with no one to serve them. And he WAS the manager, and he was there for at least a good 9 months.

So that's a problem. I could complain, but I guarantee that that won't be enough to get this guy fired, if the movie Clerks is even slightly realistic. So how CAN I get him fired (without doing anything illegal)? Because damnit, he DOES need to lose his job.

MrGeezer

Why would he get fired for that? cryptosopoidium

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

Trelaf_TheWise

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

AirGuitarist87

see, the FACT that you describe it as "telling someone a simple fact" proves my point...

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

warbmxjohn

Jesus Christ, you're a shining example of the people I talked about in my post. I'm sick and tired of this, I'm not even going to bother debating anything with you...

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Really? I thought it was because he wants to remove someone from their main source of income because he told him a simple fact.Trelaf_TheWise

Jesus Christ, you're a shining example of the people I talked about in my post. I'm sick and tired of this, I'm not even going to bother debating anything with you...

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]Yeah the op is the only self righteous one. Smoking is dumb, sure it is a free choice but it is a stupid choice. No one will ever be able to validate any value in smoking. Its obviously a massive waste of money and is entirely pointless. Face it. I respect a persons right to do what they want in THEIR lives, but don't try and pretend smoking is beneficial in any way, shape, or form. Getting the guy fired behind his back instead of asserting yourself to his face is beyond weak. Actually its well beyond shamefully weak.warbmxjohn

Jesus Christ, you're a shining example of the people I talked about in my post. I'm sick and tired of this, I'm not even going to bother debating anything with you...

THE DEBATE WAS NEVER ABOUT CIGS BEING GOOD OR BAD!! Never was, never will be, everyone knows they're bad for you. MY point is that people like you have to stop being so self righteous and stop judging people for their life choices. Read your own RIDICULOUS post again: "I respect a persons right to do what they want in THEIR lives, but don't try and pretend smoking is beneficial in any way, shape, or form"....who mentioned any of that? Try pulling your head out of there and analyse this with me: you say you respect what people are doing in THEIR lives, isn't that what the TC is doing? Minding his own business buying cigarettes? Is it too much to ask for to NOT be patronized with phrases like "GOOD BOY!!" by a store clerk when all you're doing is purchasing a product?

I have this to say to everyone defending the clerk. For you those say you shouldn't fire him because he needs the job, if he needs the job then he shouldn't be a big jerk. Also those of you are saying it's okay because he was insulting geezer about smoking, he knows the risks and he's fine with it, don't complain about it, smoking is voluntary and a warning is required to be put on every pack of cigarettes.Videogamefan123

[QUOTE="Videogamefan123"]I have this to say to everyone defending the clerk. For you those say you shouldn't fire him because he needs the job, if he needs the job then he shouldn't be a big jerk. Also those of you are saying it's okay because he was insulting geezer about smoking, he knows the risks and he's fine with it, don't complain about it, smoking is voluntary and a warning is required to be put on every pack of cigarettes.LJS9502_basic

I shouldn't have to. That's not my responsibility as a customer. I want to avoid direct confrontation, and it is perfectly acceptable to go straight to people who are able to fire him.

I shouldn't have to. That's not my responsibility as a customer. I want to avoid direct confrontation, and it is perfectly acceptable to go straight to people who are able to fire him.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I shouldn't have to. That's not my responsibility as a customer. I want to avoid direct confrontation, and it is perfectly acceptable to go straight to people who are able to fire him.

LJS9502_basic

I don't believe in karma, so that's not my problem.

This thread is pointless. The TC obviously has no intention of changing his mind about getting the guy fired, no matter how ridiculous his reasons are. And yet, I serioursly doubt that the TC will actually go through with his threats and is just using this thread as a place to vent/argue endlessly.jehuty12

Well I haven't seen the guy again, so it's quite possible that he already got fired without me even having to do anything. If he was making those comments to me, chances are he's been making those comments to other people too. Maybe a different customer got him fired.

I don't believe in karma, so that's not my problem.

MrGeezer

The correct thing to do is tell him. Anything else is wrong.

You know what you should you do? stop going to that store because that employee(him) is not respecting customer(you). Customer support is very important and don't go to that store ever again and not to mention they are losing money. ;) mohan88

I disagree. If the guy is making customers have to avoid going to that store, then he SHOULD be fired. For the people suggesting that I should just shop elsewhere, even thinking of doing that is total justification for why he should lose his job. The second that customers start shopping elsewhere just to avoid dealing with him, then he's a liability to the company. And if anyone goes, it should be him, not me.

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

Trelaf_TheWise

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I shouldn't have to. That's not my responsibility as a customer. I want to avoid direct confrontation, and it is perfectly acceptable to go straight to people who are able to fire him.

LJS9502_basic

Exactly. There's a chain of command that should be followed when dealing with problems like this. You should always start by talking about it with the direct cause/source.

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

Llyud

I'm glad you folks have such rock-solid proof of this. :P

I shouldn't have to. That's not my responsibility as a customer. I want to avoid direct confrontation, and it is perfectly acceptable to go straight to people who are able to fire him.

MrGeezer

There aren't many things in life that anyone has to do. People do them out of the desire not to be a jerk.

You don't have to believe in karma to believe that things have a tendency to come around again. The flipside of the golden rule is that people tend to have things done unto themselves that they do unto others.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I shouldn't have to. That's not my responsibility as a customer. I want to avoid direct confrontation, and it is perfectly acceptable to go straight to people who are able to fire him.

CuDDKiDD

Exactly. There's a chain of command that should be followed when dealing with problems like this. You should always start by talking about it with the direct cause/source.

His bosses can talk to him about it. I'm not gonna get in the guy's face and tell him what to do, that's his bosses job. I'm not gonna tell him how to do his job, but I will file a complaint.

And really, if talking to him will do any good, then complaining to his boss will in all likelihood have the same effect. Either his boss will tell him to stop making those comments, or he'll get fired. And either would be acceptable to me. Furthermore, if the dude doesn't stop after his boss tells him to stop, then me talking to the dude wouldn't do any good anyway.

So I'm just gonna skip the entire step of talking to him.

Although I will say that before I do anything, I'm gonna wait and see if he's still making those kinds of comments. If he still is, then I'll have to start talking to management and the owners.

OP sounds like a petty jerk, and you should stop smoking cause it is bad for you and should we be so unfortunate as to see you grow old you will become a burden on the rest of us, cause we will have to subsidize your medical expenses with our tax dollars. Plus the gas station guy is problably just making conversation ..cause he sees you in there all the time,

Next thing you know we will see another thread in a few weeks about how you want to get some other clerk fiered cause they wouldt say a word to you other than "that will be $5.95" ...and seeing you rant about how lowsy the service is....

[QUOTE="Llyud"][QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

GabuEx

I'm glad you folks have such rock-solid proof of this. :P

Have you actually talked to this guy and expressed how grating his comments are?GabuEx

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

The only reason the majority of the people disagree with the TC is because he's a smoker...

God I hate self righteous anti smoking people

Trelaf_TheWise

see, the FACT that you describe it as "telling someone a simple fact" proves my point...