So now its more acceptable to be g@y than it is to be a christian?

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

it's unacceptable to use your religion to keep others from obtaining equality in society.

ferrari2001

But anyway yes those people should be allowed to marry as well.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

it's unacceptable to use your religion to keep others from obtaining equality in society.

ferrari2001

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]

it's unacceptable to use your religion to keep others from obtaining equality in society.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]

it's unacceptable to use your religion to keep others from obtaining equality in society.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Do you also believe that polygamy, marriage to one's mother/father sister/brother, should be legal as well? There have always throughout the history of man kind been restrictions on those who could get married. The case with gay marriage is no different. If gays can get married then so also should relatives and polygamists be allowed to get married. All gay rights people are fighting for is the ability to file jointly on their taxes, that's all that government marriage is. Shouldn't we take this to the IRS instead? If gay's can file jointly on their taxes then they have equality in society. Seems to be a much easier fight to me. Christians are happy and gays are happy and we can all go on living our lives. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

it's unacceptable to use your religion to keep others from obtaining equality in society.

ferrari2001

Polygamy and incest have victims, unlike homosexuality. It is not some slippery slope where if you allow homosexuals to marry you have to allow everyone to be able to marry as homosexuality ios completely different from incestual and polygamou relationships. Marriage to first cousins is also allowed in states where homosexual marriage is banned.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Do you also believe that polygamy, marriage to one's mother/father sister/brother, should be legal as well? There have always throughout the history of man kind been restrictions on those who could get married. The case with gay marriage is no different. If gays can get married then so also should relatives and polygamists be allowed to get married. All gay rights people are fighting for is the ability to file jointly on their taxes, that's all that government marriage is. Shouldn't we take this to the IRS instead? If gay's can file jointly on their taxes then they have equality in society. Seems to be a much easier fight to me. Christians are happy and gays are happy and we can all go on living our lives. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Are you really comparing gay marriage to polygamy and incest? Wtf is wrong with you?

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] So if a brother and sister love each other they shouldn't be allowed to marry? Double standard much?ferrari2001

You still haven't given a reason as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] So if a brother and sister love each other they shouldn't be allowed to marry? Double standard much?ferrari2001

Appeal to tradition, fallacy.

It's not a double-standard, homosexuality is a natural urge whereas incest is not. Someone who is attracted to a relative is still able to be attracted to other females, the attraction arose because of environment.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Do you also believe that polygamy, marriage to one's mother/father sister/brother, should be legal as well? There have always throughout the history of man kind been restrictions on those who could get married. The case with gay marriage is no different. If gays can get married then so also should relatives and polygamists be allowed to get married. All gay rights people are fighting for is the ability to file jointly on their taxes, that's all that government marriage is. Shouldn't we take this to the IRS instead? If gay's can file jointly on their taxes then they have equality in society. Seems to be a much easier fight to me. Christians are happy and gays are happy and we can all go on living our lives. ferrari2001

No. Ideally people would shut the f*ck up about both. Instead the situation at the moment is religious types don't want gays to have equal rights because their book says gays are bad. People get outspoken about the religious types being dicks and then themselves become dicks. If Christians didn't shove their book down peoples throats and try to use it to justify laws then sensible people wouldn't have a problem with them and Christians could legit complain when people are dicks to them.Ace6301

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAaertdaQk

No. Ideally people would shut the f*ck up about both. Instead the situation at the moment is religious types don't want gays to have equal rights because their book says gays are bad. People get outspoken about the religious types being dicks and then themselves become dicks. If Christians didn't shove their book down peoples throats and try to use it to justify laws then sensible people wouldn't have a problem with them and Christians could legit complain when people are dicks to them.Ace6301

I've called quite a few people on that and have never gotten a real response. Ferrari inculuded.

Religion of hipocrisy ftl

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Do you also believe that polygamy, marriage to one's mother/father sister/brother, should be legal as well? There have always throughout the history of man kind been restrictions on those who could get married. The case with gay marriage is no different. If gays can get married then so also should relatives and polygamists be allowed to get married. All gay rights people are fighting for is the ability to file jointly on their taxes, that's all that government marriage is. Shouldn't we take this to the IRS instead? If gay's can file jointly on their taxes then they have equality in society. Seems to be a much easier fight to me. Christians are happy and gays are happy and we can all go on living our lives. ferrari2001

You have problems with blacks getting married?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Whats that got to do with gays?

toast_burner

You still haven't given a reason as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] I'm pointing out that most people who support gay marriage would oppose marriage if it was a brother and sister trying to get married. It seems to be a double standard. Also pointing out a fact that there have always been restrictions on what marriage is. It has always been the union of a man and a woman. This doesn't of course mean gays can't be equal in society. The fight they should be fighting is with the IRS instead of trying to change the long standing definition of what marriage is. ferrari2001

You still haven't given a reason as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] I'm pointing out that most people who support gay marriage would oppose marriage if it was a brother and sister trying to get married. It seems to be a double standard. Also pointing out a fact that there have always been restrictions on what marriage is. It has always been the union of a man and a woman. This doesn't of course mean gays can't be equal in society. The fight they should be fighting is with the IRS instead of trying to change the long standing definition of what marriage is. ferrari2001

You still haven't given a reason as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

So what about Churches that support same sex marriage, or other religions?

And marriage does exist as a legal document, you may not like it but it does. As long as it exists don't you think they should let gays marry as well?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] I'm pointing out that most people who support gay marriage would oppose marriage if it was a brother and sister trying to get married. It seems to be a double standard. Also pointing out a fact that there have always been restrictions on what marriage is. It has always been the union of a man and a woman. This doesn't of course mean gays can't be equal in society. The fight they should be fighting is with the IRS instead of trying to change the long standing definition of what marriage is. ferrari2001

You still haven't given a reason as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

You may not agree with government marriage, but it definitely exists.

If you take government out of marriage, it pretty much creates a situation in which churchs can marry gays if they want to. And there's no doubt that some church's will do so.

Which would be fine with me, but I'm realistic enough to know that government marriage is not going away.

Also, I'm not sure why you think that appeal to tradition is a legitimate argument gay marriage.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]Do you even know what you're talking about?PonchoTaco

It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.harashawn

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="harashawn"]It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.harashawn

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] So if a brother and sister love each other they shouldn't be allowed to marry? Double standard much?ferrari2001

I too married after bringing the father of my wife two thousand foreskins of philistines.

in OTJigglyWiggly_

Word.

It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.harashawn

It was unprofessional for them to make such comments but gay rights campaigns from companies are fine?

Double standard much?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

You still haven't given a reason as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

GreySeal9

You may not agree with government marriage, but it definitely exists.

If you take government out of marriage, it pretty much creates a situation in which churchs can marry gays if they want to. And there's no doubt that some church's will do so.

Which would be fine with me, but I'm realistic enough to know that government marriage is not going away.

Also, I'm not sure why you think that appeal to tradition is a legitimate argument gay marriage.

Government marriage also ensures non-discrimination in issues that affect marriage, such as being able to share benefits. If individual churches were the only institutions that could marry (aside from the issues that could create with atheist marriages) then it could stand to reason that an employer has no obligation to honor that specific marriage when it comes to paying out benefits to the spouse. Companies could even try to get out of paying benefits at all because marriages are simply a religious contract and not any officially recognized contract as they are now.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.N30F3N1X

It was unprofessional for them to make such comments but gay rights campaigns from companies are fine?

Double standard much?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] I'm pointing out that most people who support gay marriage would oppose marriage if it was a brother and sister trying to get married. It seems to be a double standard. Also pointing out a fact that there have always been restrictions on what marriage is. It has always been the union of a man and a woman. This doesn't of course mean gays can't be equal in society. The fight they should be fighting is with the IRS instead of trying to change the long standing definition of what marriage is. ferrari2001

You still haven't given a reason as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

It's not government's place to establish a religious definition of marriage. If gay marriage were legal it wouldn't affect you in the slightest, you could sit in your little church and pout and pine about what marriage is "supposed" to be and meanwhile the rest of the world could do with their private lives what every straight couple is already allowed to do.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.N30F3N1X

It was unprofessional for them to make such comments but gay rights campaigns from companies are fine?

Double standard much?

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.N30F3N1X

It was unprofessional for them to make such comments but gay rights campaigns from companies are fine?

Double standard much?

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.Aljosa23

It was unprofessional for them to make such comments but gay rights campaigns from companies are fine?

Double standard much?

Only more acceptable when the Christian takes himself and the Bible too seriously.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It was unprofessional for them to make such comments but gay rights campaigns from companies are fine?

Double standard much?

l4dak47

[QUOTE="harashawn"]It was unprofessional on Chick-Fil-A's part to make such comments regarding something as personal as sexuality. Whether anyone agrees with them or not, a company can't have an open opinion like that.N30F3N1X

It was unprofessional for them to make such comments but gay rights campaigns from companies are fine?

Double standard much?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It was unprofessional for them to make such comments but gay rights campaigns from companies are fine?

Double standard much?

l4dak47

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Spreading hate is generally frowned upon.harashawn

Wanting a group to have equal rights is now morally comparable to actively opposing the rights of a group now?Ace6301

Your point? It's still a blatant double standard.

To say anything negative about a group of people is unprofessional. I don't see the double standard here.harashawn

To say *anything* about someone else is unprofessional. You want to take a stance on something, that's fine, don't pull your company along with you tho.

Spreading hate is generally frowned upon.

Aljosa23

And here I thought I could swear from looking around forums and blogs that we're in the middle of a witchhunt towards bible followers :roll:

Just because someone is a christian and beleives in what the bible says about marriage, that doesn't mean they are a hateful person. I mean we are still in America right? We aren't allowed to have freedom of religion anymore??djshowstopper87

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Spreading hate is generally frowned upon.

N30F3N1X

And here I thought I could swear from looking around forums and blogs that we're in the middle of a witchhunt towards bible followers :roll:

Also, my original statement was in reference to corporations taking stances on issues. Not sure why you had to mention OT.

Once again... Chick-Fil-A doesnt just believe in whatever they believe in.

They also fund anti-gay organisations. And its their right, but it is also our right to dislike them for it.

Teenaged

but yet gays are becoming more mainstream, and not being limited to much by anything anymore...

in OTJigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Spreading hate is generally frowned upon.

N30F3N1X

And here I thought I could swear from looking around forums and blogs that we're in the middle of a witchhunt towards bible followers :roll:

I think you're being a little dramatic.