Feel sorry for Nintendo fans defending the Wii:U.
I don't think Nintendo cares or would do anything even if they KNOW they're crap.
Stubborn? They maybe, but I don't think they'd care as long as they get money from casuals.
Funny seeing some excuses here.
Now its... "I dont have a big enough tv so its ok."
TV's are continually getting better, and the Wii:U is not making use of the screen.
Wii:U, in future, will be COLLECTING DUST when the 720 and PS4 are out...
Oh wait, theyre struggling to match last gen, let alone next-gen lol. :lol:
And so it begins....Nintendo confirms Wii U launch games will run at 720p *sigh*
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I'm just going to say this:
If you expect a console to fail simply because it's running on lower resolution, you really do have something wrong with you. Never mind the weakest console last gen (with the smaller number of core game) sold the best, or Nintendo's huge, raving fanbase that are STILL hyping the WiiU because it met most of our standards.
WiiCubeM1
Maybe because it was half the price of the competition and was riding on a gimmick?
So, the WiiU? (IF the 720 and PS4 are the God-like supercomputers the lems and cows are raving them to be. If not, we'll have 3 systems of roughly equal power and price and the winner will be decided not by hardware superiority, but which one just has the better games.)
I actually hope this happens...for the sake of gaming in general. (I honestly think it might.) I'm not pro any console...I just want better gaming experiences and while graphics do have a role...art style to me is far more important. If this outcome happens hopefully a race of who can make better GAMES comes into play. Not eye candy.
Feel sorry for Nintendo fans defending the Wii:U.
I don't think Nintendo cares or would do anything even if they KNOW they're crap.
Stubborn? They maybe, but I don't think they'd care as long as they get money from casuals.
Funny seeing some excuses here.
Now its... "I dont have a big enough tv so its ok."
TV's are continually getting better, and the Wii:U is not making use of the screen.
Wii:U, in future, will be COLLECTING DUST when the 720 and PS4 are out...
Oh wait, theyre struggling to match last gen, let alone next-gen lol. :lol:g0ddyX
I think it's kind of pathetic that everyone expects the PS4 and 720 to be borderline-supercomputers. I doubt that Sony or Microsoft would want to give Nintendo the lead in affordability again next gen.
I have my PC if I want to see the best graphic's out there. When it comes to Nintendo I just want the creativity and enjoyment I get out of their games.
Really just need to change this board to "Graphic Wars".
Bladebri
Best post Ive seen in weeks.
Someone finally gets it.
EDIT: Tat said, if Nintendo did in fact "promise" 1080p, big shame on Nintendos part.
[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]
Feel sorry for Nintendo fans defending the Wii:U.
I don't think Nintendo cares or would do anything even if they KNOW they're crap.
Stubborn? They maybe, but I don't think they'd care as long as they get money from casuals.
Funny seeing some excuses here.
Now its... "I dont have a big enough tv so its ok."
TV's are continually getting better, and the Wii:U is not making use of the screen.
Wii:U, in future, will be COLLECTING DUST when the 720 and PS4 are out...
Oh wait, theyre struggling to match last gen, let alone next-gen lol. :lol:WiiCubeM1
I think it's kind of pathetic that everyone expects the PS4 and 720 to be borderline-supercomputers. I doubt that Sony or Microsoft would want to give Nintendo the lead in affordability again next gen.
They don't need to be borderline supercomputers to manage to play the current games the PS3 and Xbox 360 are currently playing, with the exact same graphical assets, at 1080p. A simple RAM upgrade and minor GPU upgrade would suffice. The fact that the Wii U isn't going to be any more powerful than the current gen platforms, yet costs twice as much, spells disaster.
I'll pass on this. Its 2012 and no 1080p. I'll wait till its 3 or 4 years life cycle is over and buy the Nintendo console that will do 1080p on all games.
If Nintendo can get every WiiU gamer to run at a Native 720p or higher, then Im in. You are all bashing the WiiU and yet your precious PS3's and 360's rarely hit the 720p visual mark and we are nearly 7 years into this generation!! If you think that MS and Sony will come out with machines that will run games at 1080p consistantly, you are in for a big let down!!!ShoTTyMcNaDeSSony and MS may not come out with systems that run next gen games at 1080p, but they absolutely will be capable of running current gen games at 1080p. I have been running current gen games at 1080p on my PC since I purchased my 8800 GTS ~6-7 years ago. It doesn't take much power at all to run current games at 1080p, and the fact that the Wii U cannot do it speaks volumes about just how weak this system is. I had been giving it the benefit of the doubt because while the multiplat titles on the Wii U looked almost exactly the same as their PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts, I believed that the Wii U would play those games in 1080p at a higher framerate, and that launch titles wouldn't really showcase the system's power anyway. A system built in 2012 has to be incredibly weak to not be able to play last-gen games at 1080p, though. There just isn't much hope for the Wii U being powerful at all.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="g0ddyX"]
Feel sorry for Nintendo fans defending the Wii:U.
I don't think Nintendo cares or would do anything even if they KNOW they're crap.
Stubborn? They maybe, but I don't think they'd care as long as they get money from casuals.
Funny seeing some excuses here.
Now its... "I dont have a big enough tv so its ok."
TV's are continually getting better, and the Wii:U is not making use of the screen.
Wii:U, in future, will be COLLECTING DUST when the 720 and PS4 are out...
Oh wait, theyre struggling to match last gen, let alone next-gen lol. :lol:PurpleMan5000
I think it's kind of pathetic that everyone expects the PS4 and 720 to be borderline-supercomputers. I doubt that Sony or Microsoft would want to give Nintendo the lead in affordability again next gen.
They don't need to be borderline supercomputers to manage to play the current games the PS3 and Xbox 360 are currently playing, with the exact same graphical assets, at 1080p. A simple RAM upgrade and minor GPU upgrade would suffice. The fact that the Wii U isn't going to be any more powerful than the current gen platforms, yet costs twice as much, spells disaster.I really don't think that the PS4 and the 720 are going to be much more powerful than this gen. They'll built from the ground-up, but won't be much more than major upgrades from this gen. All they'll be is an increase in processing power and an increase in resolution, same as the WiiU. If they go all-out and attempt to leave this gen in the dust, they'll cost the same as a mid-range gaming PC. I personally know quite a few lems and cows who have said that if that's the case, they're just going to buy the WiiU.
[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]If Nintendo can get every WiiU gamer to run at a Native 720p or higher, then Im in. You are all bashing the WiiU and yet your precious PS3's and 360's rarely hit the 720p visual mark and we are nearly 7 years into this generation!! If you think that MS and Sony will come out with machines that will run games at 1080p consistantly, you are in for a big let down!!!PurpleMan5000Sony and MS may not come out with systems that run next gen games at 1080p, but they absolutely will be capable of running current gen games at 1080p. I have been running current gen games at 1080p on my PC since I purchased my 8800 GTS ~6-7 years ago. It doesn't take much power at all to run current games at 1080p, and the fact that the Wii U cannot do it speaks volumes about just how weak this system is. I had been giving it the benefit of the doubt because while the multiplat titles on the Wii U looked almost exactly the same as their PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts, I believed that the Wii U would play those games in 1080p at a higher framerate, and that launch titles wouldn't really showcase the system's power anyway. A system built in 2012 has to be incredibly weak to not be able to play last-gen games at 1080p, though. There just isn't much hope for the Wii U being powerful at all.
Did you read the article?
It stated that while the WiiU can technically support 1080p, Nintendo themselves just want to focus on 720p games as "it's sufficient enought for the games they wanted to produce". To be honest, how much better would a game like Mario look in 1080p?.
They don't need to be borderline supercomputers to manage to play the current games the PS3 and Xbox 360 are currently playing, with the exact same graphical assets, at 1080p. A simple RAM upgrade and minor GPU upgrade would suffice. The fact that the Wii U isn't going to be any more powerful than the current gen platforms, yet costs twice as much, spells disaster.[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I think it's kind of pathetic that everyone expects the PS4 and 720 to be borderline-supercomputers. I doubt that Sony or Microsoft would want to give Nintendo the lead in affordability again next gen.
WiiCubeM1
I really don't think that the PS4 and the 720 are going to be much more powerful than this gen. They'll built from the ground-up, but won't be much more than major upgrades from this gen. All they'll be is an increase in processing power and an increase in resolution, same as the WiiU. If they go all-out and attempt to leave this gen in the dust, they'll cost the same as a mid-range gaming PC. I personally know quite a few lems and cows who have said that if that's the case, they're just going to buy the WiiU.
Why would they even release new consoles if they aren't going to be more powerful than their current offerings? At least with the Wii, Nintendo offered a new control scheme that was really cool for about a month. Microsoft already has Kinect, though I could envision a Kinect-Box, which I would avoid like the plague. I can't imagine Sony venturing into a motion-only console after the failure of Move.If Nintendo can get every WiiU gamer to run at a Native 720p orIf you look at beyond3d's native resolution guide you will see that the vast majority of titles on the PS3/360 are 720p, with a few sports titles being 1080p http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241higher, then Im in. You are all bashing the WiiU and yet your precious PS3's and 360's rarely hit the 720p visual mark and we are nearly 7 years into this generation!! If you think that MS and Sony will come out with machines that will run games at 1080p consistantly, you are in for a big let down!!!ShoTTyMcNaDeS
But realistically I was exited for the WiiU when it was announced and i'm still just as excited now. I think the tablet controller is great and has a lot of potential for games. I don't really look to consoles pushing graphics, but rather specific types of games. Nintendo still understands the difference between a gaming console and a gimped PC thank god.
sandbox3d
I think Nintendo has a history of being eccentric to their own demise. N64 with the carts, GC with the 1.5GB mini-dvds, Wii with it's lack of shader pipelines. They preached this revolution in gameplay with the Wii and Wiimote, but largely failed to capitalize, even with their own 1st-party titles. So much talk, but little on the action side. More incoming from the WiiU.
The lack of power, specifically a standardized shader pipeline similar to either of the Xbox's kept Wii from getting so many 3rd-party titles. Now we may be dealing with a similar situation here. When you consider overall value, Nintendo lacks in multimedia, gfx, online, and AAA 3rd-party support. Yet they still sell it at $250(wii, 3ds), and possibly more this time around. $299 for a current-gen system with a touchpad gimmick that will be present on both HD Twins. Completely abandoning the Wiimote philosophy to follow market trends and maximize profits.
If the low end standard of the WiiU is to run 720p games with good steady performance then they already have a leg up over the twins. And of course they should 7 years later.
sandbox3d
DF's analysis showed trade-offs for the respective differences in WiiU version. I'm claiming the WiiU's GPU will be anywhere from a Xenos with more unified RAM and EDRAM, up to a GPU 50% more powerful than the 360's. That would mean the WiiU will get excluded just like the Wii did in the long run. Yes, a system should provide value beyond 2yrs..
I'm not looking at this through the perspective of a butthurt fanboy like most of you.
I'm looking at this through the perspective of a guy that likes playing games. The Wii U finally delivers on being an HD console AND has some really nice control options. Another good looking console to add to the ever growing collection.
sandbox3d
This thread is about WiiU games running 720p. You come in here and start making dumb analogies and try to play the stereotypical passive-agressive sheep who never gave a crap about gfx or 3-party support because it's good to give Nintendo more profit.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] They don't need to be borderline supercomputers to manage to play the current games the PS3 and Xbox 360 are currently playing, with the exact same graphical assets, at 1080p. A simple RAM upgrade and minor GPU upgrade would suffice. The fact that the Wii U isn't going to be any more powerful than the current gen platforms, yet costs twice as much, spells disaster.PurpleMan5000
I really don't think that the PS4 and the 720 are going to be much more powerful than this gen. They'll built from the ground-up, but won't be much more than major upgrades from this gen. All they'll be is an increase in processing power and an increase in resolution, same as the WiiU. If they go all-out and attempt to leave this gen in the dust, they'll cost the same as a mid-range gaming PC. I personally know quite a few lems and cows who have said that if that's the case, they're just going to buy the WiiU.
Why would they even release new consoles if they aren't going to be more powerful than their current offerings? At least with the Wii, Nintendo offered a new control scheme that was really cool for about a month. Microsoft already has Kinect, though I could envision a Kinect-Box, which I would avoid like the plague. I can't imagine Sony venturing into a motion-only console after the failure of Move.Upgrading the hardware, add in some new ideas, slowly build towards those Supercomputer consoles everyone wants. If technology didn't move forward, even at a snail's pace, we'd still be gaming on 8-bit systems because they were "enough" back then.
/thread. Over in 2nd post, that was fats.Wii-Underpowered
Tikeio
Sony and MS may not come out with systems that run next gen games at 1080p, but they absolutely will be capable of running current gen games at 1080p. I have been running current gen games at 1080p on my PC since I purchased my 8800 GTS ~6-7 years ago. It doesn't take much power at all to run current games at 1080p, and the fact that the Wii U cannot do it speaks volumes about just how weak this system is. I had been giving it the benefit of the doubt because while the multiplat titles on the Wii U looked almost exactly the same as their PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts, I believed that the Wii U would play those games in 1080p at a higher framerate, and that launch titles wouldn't really showcase the system's power anyway. A system built in 2012 has to be incredibly weak to not be able to play last-gen games at 1080p, though. There just isn't much hope for the Wii U being powerful at all.[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]If Nintendo can get every WiiU gamer to run at a Native 720p or higher, then Im in. You are all bashing the WiiU and yet your precious PS3's and 360's rarely hit the 720p visual mark and we are nearly 7 years into this generation!! If you think that MS and Sony will come out with machines that will run games at 1080p consistantly, you are in for a big let down!!!WiiCubeM1
Did you read the article?
It stated that while the WiiU can technically support 1080p, Nintendo themselves just want to focus on 720p games as "it's sufficient enought for the games they wanted to produce". To be honest, how much better would a game like Mario look in 1080p?.
If the games had a huge level of detail at 720p, then it would be understandable if Nintendo had to scale back the resolution to 720p. The problem is, those games just don't have jaw-dropping graphics. The third party games are even more telling because they look identical, yet still cannot be run at 1080p. Nintendo is not simply choosing to not run games at 1080p. If a game is displayed at 720p, it is because the system is not capable of displaying that game's graphics at 1080p.Why would they even release new consoles if they aren't going to be more powerful than their current offerings? At least with the Wii, Nintendo offered a new control scheme that was really cool for about a month. Microsoft already has Kinect, though I could envision a Kinect-Box, which I would avoid like the plague. I can't imagine Sony venturing into a motion-only console after the failure of Move.[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I really don't think that the PS4 and the 720 are going to be much more powerful than this gen. They'll built from the ground-up, but won't be much more than major upgrades from this gen. All they'll be is an increase in processing power and an increase in resolution, same as the WiiU. If they go all-out and attempt to leave this gen in the dust, they'll cost the same as a mid-range gaming PC. I personally know quite a few lems and cows who have said that if that's the case, they're just going to buy the WiiU.
WiiCubeM1
Upgrading the hardware, add in some new ideas, slowly build towards those Supercomputer consoles everyone wants. If technology didn't move forward, even at a snail's pace, we'd still be gaming on 8-bit systems because they were "enough" back then.
Technology has already moved forward well beyond the capabilities of the Xbox 360 and PS3. It will continue to move forward with or without video game consoles.I'd like to point out to you guys that Rayman Legends, Trine 2, Scribblenauts Unlimited and others all run in native 1080p at 60fps on the WU. And they won't be the last ones to either. The article in question states that Nintendo's launch titles only will run in 720p, each at 60fps.bonesawisready5
Is that so. Thanks for clearing that up.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] Sony and MS may not come out with systems that run next gen games at 1080p, but they absolutely will be capable of running current gen games at 1080p. I have been running current gen games at 1080p on my PC since I purchased my 8800 GTS ~6-7 years ago. It doesn't take much power at all to run current games at 1080p, and the fact that the Wii U cannot do it speaks volumes about just how weak this system is. I had been giving it the benefit of the doubt because while the multiplat titles on the Wii U looked almost exactly the same as their PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts, I believed that the Wii U would play those games in 1080p at a higher framerate, and that launch titles wouldn't really showcase the system's power anyway. A system built in 2012 has to be incredibly weak to not be able to play last-gen games at 1080p, though. There just isn't much hope for the Wii U being powerful at all.PurpleMan5000
Did you read the article?
It stated that while the WiiU can technically support 1080p, Nintendo themselves just want to focus on 720p games as "it's sufficient enought for the games they wanted to produce". To be honest, how much better would a game like Mario look in 1080p?.
If the games had a huge level of detail at 720p, then it would be understandable if Nintendo had to scale back the resolution to 720p. The problem is, those games just don't have jaw-dropping graphics. The third party games are even more telling because they look identical, yet still cannot be run at 1080p. Nintendo is not simply choosing to not run games at 1080p. If a game is displayed at 720p, it is because the system is not capable of displaying that game's graphics at 1080p. No it isn't. It's because the developer isn't choosing to do 1080p. With ports especially they will not put much more effort. There already are a couple 1080p/60fps games coming to Wii U, and those won't be the last. Its so very early it seems erroneous to judge so quick. Also, Nintendo' first party offerings aren't exactly great examples of games that would have "a huge level of detail at 720p" because you have to consider Nintendo Land has the purpose of showing the controller, New Super Mario must be 60fps at all times and they don't really need to push 1080p there if they don't want to and Pikmin 3 is a port of a Wii game. I'd wait until Nintendo EAD or Retro show something off
Looks like I'll be skipping Nintendo's console for yet another generation, haha,
[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]If the games had a huge level of detail at 720p, then it would be understandable if Nintendo had to scale back the resolution to 720p. The problem is, those games just don't have jaw-dropping graphics. The third party games are even more telling because they look identical, yet still cannot be run at 1080p. Nintendo is not simply choosing to not run games at 1080p. If a game is displayed at 720p, it is because the system is not capable of displaying that game's graphics at 1080p. No it isn't. It's because the developer isn't choosing to do 1080p. With ports especially they will not put much more effort. There already are a couple 1080p/60fps games coming to Wii U, and those won't be the last. Its so very early it seems erroneous to judge so quick. Also, Nintendo' first party offerings aren't exactly great examples of games that would have "a huge level of detail at 720p" because you have to consider Nintendo Land has the purpose of showing the controller, New Super Mario must be 60fps at all times and they don't really need to push 1080p there if they don't want to and Pikmin 3 is a port of a Wii game. I'd wait until Nintendo EAD or Retro show something off It's a port onto a supposedly superior system. How much effort could it take to get the game running at 1080p? Pikmin 3 being a port of a Wii game is all the more reason it should be running at 1080p.Did you read the article?
It stated that while the WiiU can technically support 1080p, Nintendo themselves just want to focus on 720p games as "it's sufficient enought for the games they wanted to produce". To be honest, how much better would a game like Mario look in 1080p?.
bonesawisready5
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] Why would they even release new consoles if they aren't going to be more powerful than their current offerings? At least with the Wii, Nintendo offered a new control scheme that was really cool for about a month. Microsoft already has Kinect, though I could envision a Kinect-Box, which I would avoid like the plague. I can't imagine Sony venturing into a motion-only console after the failure of Move.
PurpleMan5000
Upgrading the hardware, add in some new ideas, slowly build towards those Supercomputer consoles everyone wants. If technology didn't move forward, even at a snail's pace, we'd still be gaming on 8-bit systems because they were "enough" back then.
Technology has already moved forward well beyond the capabilities of the Xbox 360 and PS3. It will continue to move forward with or without video game consoles.And how much does that technology cost to prebuild and make it seem appealing to people who consider $350 too much to pay for a console? Computers have always been more powerful than consoles. Price is the one thing keeping them from surpassing a PC. People are willing to put hundreds to thousands of dollars into a PC as they expect them to do more than simply play video games on a higher resolution. Consoles are built to provide a fun a great gaming experience at an affordable level. If having to put $600-$700 dollars into a machine that only plays games simply because I want them to look nice becomes the standard I have to live up to, I'm done.
EDIT: And to your response to bonesaw above, if you're a console gamer and you're STILL putting graphics before gameplay... You're really on the wrong side of gaming debate.
Technology has already moved forward well beyond the capabilities of the Xbox 360 and PS3. It will continue to move forward with or without video game consoles.[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
Upgrading the hardware, add in some new ideas, slowly build towards those Supercomputer consoles everyone wants. If technology didn't move forward, even at a snail's pace, we'd still be gaming on 8-bit systems because they were "enough" back then.
WiiCubeM1
And how much does that technology cost to prebuild and make it seem appealing to people who consider $350 too much to pay for a console? Computers have always been more powerful than consoles. Price is the one thing keeping them from surpassing a PC. Games People are willing to put hundreds to thousands of dollars into a PC as they expect them to do more than simply play video games on a higher resolution. Consoles are built to provide a fun a great gaming experience at an affordable level. If having to put $600-$700 dollars into a machine that only plays games simply because I want them to look nice becomes the standard I have to live up to, I'm done.
You pay more to build a PC because you get all of the benefits of having a PC as well as gaming. A console does not need cutting edge technology to match the graphical output of a cutting edge PC because games can be optimized for the closed system. A new console launching for $350 should be much more powerful than the Xbox 360, which launched 7 years ago for $300.The third party games are even more telling because they look identical, yet still cannot be run at 1080p. Nintendo is not simply choosing to not run games at 1080p. If a game is displayed at 720p, it is because the system is not capable of displaying that game's graphics at 1080p.PurpleMan5000
I follow this line of thinking. The fact that it's also running the WiiUmote screen is likely to sap performance as well.
The GPU core clock and number of shader cores are the big unknown factors from the WiiU. I try to offer reasonable speculation and some sheep get so upset.
However, to survive the upcoming transition from the current HD consoles to their enormously improved successors, Wii U needs enough grunt to at least part-way bridge the generational gap - and there was scant evidence at E3 that the raw power required to do this was on tap. If it is a matter of getting to know the hardware and coaxing out maximum performance, the question is whether the third parties are prepared to invest the required time and effort. Looking back, it took a long, long time for the average standard of PS3 multi-platform titles to match what was being achieved on Xbox 360 and some might argue that Wii U doesn't have the luxury of time on its side.
In the medium term we should expect to see a new range of "cross-gen" titles come to market - the likes of the Unreal Engine 3-powered Star Wars 1313 and Ubisoft's spectacular Watch Dogs are likely to be amongst their number. These titles are almost certain to arrive on the existing HD consoles, but Wii U versions for these and many other key 2013 titles remain unannounced and there was a palpable lack of more current games in the launch line-up.
In fairness, this is almost certainly down to commercial considerations rather than technical ones: in economically uncertain times, should publishers commit significant resources to an unproven format? Will a Wii U game without exceptional second-screen support perform well? Our biggest concern about third-party support is that, even if the numbers eventually stack up, by the time the installed base is there, development on current-gen hardware may well be winding down. Factor in a first-party line-up that shows some promise in terms of innovative concepts, but lacks true next-gen Mario and Zelda titles that truly show what this hardware is capable of, and it's safe to say that Nintendo has it all to prove in the coming months.
Digital Foundry
I agree with this article.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] Technology has already moved forward well beyond the capabilities of the Xbox 360 and PS3. It will continue to move forward with or without video game consoles.PurpleMan5000
And how much does that technology cost to prebuild and make it seem appealing to people who consider $350 too much to pay for a console? Computers have always been more powerful than consoles. Price is the one thing keeping them from surpassing a PC. Games People are willing to put hundreds to thousands of dollars into a PC as they expect them to do more than simply play video games on a higher resolution. Consoles are built to provide a fun a great gaming experience at an affordable level. If having to put $600-$700 dollars into a machine that only plays games simply because I want them to look nice becomes the standard I have to live up to, I'm done.
You pay more to build a PC because you get all of the benefits of having a PC as well as gaming. A console does not need cutting edge technology to match the graphical output of a cutting edge PC because games can be optimized for the closed system. A new console launching for $350 should be much more powerful than the Xbox 360, which launched 7 years ago for $300.But a console with the specs I gather you want out of next gen would cost an easy $600 dollars. For roughly what you paid last gen, you're getting a console with better resolution, better processing power, anda bunch of new, little gimmicks and fixes for things wrong with the last gen.
And, honestly, the WiiU can handle 1080p, Nintendo just chose to not make their games in that resolution. What exactly are you expecting the consoles in your mind to be capable of performing that the current gen cannot (and I'm not talking about 1080p resolution)?
You pay more to build a PC because you get all of the benefits of having a PC as well as gaming. A console does not need cutting edge technology to match the graphical output of a cutting edge PC because games can be optimized for the closed system. A new console launching for $350 should be much more powerful than the Xbox 360, which launched 7 years ago for $300.[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
And how much does that technology cost to prebuild and make it seem appealing to people who consider $350 too much to pay for a console? Computers have always been more powerful than consoles. Price is the one thing keeping them from surpassing a PC. Games People are willing to put hundreds to thousands of dollars into a PC as they expect them to do more than simply play video games on a higher resolution. Consoles are built to provide a fun a great gaming experience at an affordable level. If having to put $600-$700 dollars into a machine that only plays games simply because I want them to look nice becomes the standard I have to live up to, I'm done.
WiiCubeM1
But a console with the specs I gather you want out of next gen would cost an easy $600 dollars. For roughly what you paid last gen, you're getting a console with better resolution, better processing power, anda bunch of new, little gimmicks and fixes for things wrong with the last gen.
And, honestly, the WiiU can handle 1080p, Nintendo just chose to not make their games in that resolution. What exactly are you expecting the consoles in your mind to be capable of performing?
Yes, the Wii U can handle 1080p, it just can't handle this current gen's games at 1080p. I can play God of War 2 on the PS3 at 1080p, so I guess that console can handle 1080p as well. It's just that developers are choosing not to utilize it. It has nothing to do with current gen games turning into a slideshow at that resolution. I expect next gen consoles to have better graphics and processing power than current gen consoles. I don't think that's asking too much.[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"]The third party games are even more telling because they look identical, yet still cannot be run at 1080p. Nintendo is not simply choosing to not run games at 1080p. If a game is displayed at 720p, it is because the system is not capable of displaying that game's graphics at 1080p.gamecubepad
I follow this line of thinking. The fact that it's also running the WiiUmote screen is likely to sap performance as well.
The GPU core clock and number of shader cores are the big unknown factors from the WiiU. I try to offer reasonable speculation and some sheep get so upset.
However, to survive the upcoming transition from the current HD consoles to their enormously improved successors, Wii U needs enough grunt to at least part-way bridge the generational gap - and there was scant evidence at E3 that the raw power required to do this was on tap. If it is a matter of getting to know the hardware and coaxing out maximum performance, the question is whether the third parties are prepared to invest the required time and effort. Looking back, it took a long, long time for the average standard of PS3 multi-platform titles to match what was being achieved on Xbox 360 and some might argue that Wii U doesn't have the luxury of time on its side.
In the medium term we should expect to see a new range of "cross-gen" titles come to market - the likes of the Unreal Engine 3-powered Star Wars 1313 and Ubisoft's spectacular Watch Dogs are likely to be amongst their number. These titles are almost certain to arrive on the existing HD consoles, but Wii U versions for these and many other key 2013 titles remain unannounced and there was a palpable lack of more current games in the launch line-up.
In fairness, this is almost certainly down to commercial considerations rather than technical ones: in economically uncertain times, should publishers commit significant resources to an unproven format? Will a Wii U game without exceptional second-screen support perform well? Our biggest concern about third-party support is that, even if the numbers eventually stack up, by the time the installed base is there, development on current-gen hardware may well be winding down. Factor in a first-party line-up that shows some promise in terms of innovative concepts, but lacks true next-gen Mario and Zelda titles that truly show what this hardware is capable of, and it's safe to say that Nintendo has it all to prove in the coming months.
Digital Foundry
I agree with this article.
Maybe those games aren't announced for Wii U coz its a new, unproven platform? It has to show core games can be sold on it. There is much more to it, that's why Activision made COD on DS last year and not 3DS. Because you have to see if the customer is there. Same reason why third parties aren't going to take advantage of the hardware in multiplats right away, because these IPs, like on any unproven console, may sell terribly so until you have a better idea what kind of customer you're getting you cut costs as much as possible
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] You pay more to build a PC because you get all of the benefits of having a PC as well as gaming. A console does not need cutting edge technology to match the graphical output of a cutting edge PC because games can be optimized for the closed system. A new console launching for $350 should be much more powerful than the Xbox 360, which launched 7 years ago for $300.PurpleMan5000
But a console with the specs I gather you want out of next gen would cost an easy $600 dollars. For roughly what you paid last gen, you're getting a console with better resolution, better processing power, anda bunch of new, little gimmicks and fixes for things wrong with the last gen.
And, honestly, the WiiU can handle 1080p, Nintendo just chose to not make their games in that resolution. What exactly are you expecting the consoles in your mind to be capable of performing?
Yes, the Wii U can handle 1080p, it just can't handle this current gen's games at 1080p. I can play God of War 2 on the PS3 at 1080p, so I guess that console can handle 1080p as well. It's just that developers are choosing not to utilize it. It has nothing to do with current gen games turning into a slideshow at that resolution. I expect next gen consoles to have better graphics and processing power than current gen consoles. I don't think that's asking too much.Same with me, and that's what the WiiU seems to be able to do. Nintendo even said during E3 that Wii games will be played with enhanced graphics. Whether that'll be 720p or 1080p is still unknown, but the point is is that the WiiU will play enhanced Wii games.
Yes, the Wii U can handle 1080p, it just can't handle this current gen's games at 1080p. I can play God of War 2 on the PS3 at 1080p, so I guess that console can handle 1080p as well. It's just that developers are choosing not to utilize it. It has nothing to do with current gen games turning into a slideshow at that resolution. I expect next gen consoles to have better graphics and processing power than current gen consoles. I don't think that's asking too much.[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
But a console with the specs I gather you want out of next gen would cost an easy $600 dollars. For roughly what you paid last gen, you're getting a console with better resolution, better processing power, anda bunch of new, little gimmicks and fixes for things wrong with the last gen.
And, honestly, the WiiU can handle 1080p, Nintendo just chose to not make their games in that resolution. What exactly are you expecting the consoles in your mind to be capable of performing?
WiiCubeM1
Same with me, and that's what the WiiU seems to be able to do. Nintendo even said during E3 that Wii games will be played with enhanced graphics. Whether that'll be 720p or 1080p is still unknown, but the point is is that the WiiU will play enhanced Wii games.
I'm pretty sure the PS3 could play just about any Wii game at 1080p. It doesn't have any trouble playing PS2 games at 1080p and 60 fps, and the PS2 was nearly as powerful as the Wii.
I'm not going to buy it no matter what, so it doesn't affect me. Nintendo has been a joke for like 10 years now.
Nintendo has been a joke for like 10 years now.
StealthMonkey4
Says the uninformed idiot. Even if you rule out the Wii and GC, they dominated handhelds.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] Yes, the Wii U can handle 1080p, it just can't handle this current gen's games at 1080p. I can play God of War 2 on the PS3 at 1080p, so I guess that console can handle 1080p as well. It's just that developers are choosing not to utilize it. It has nothing to do with current gen games turning into a slideshow at that resolution. I expect next gen consoles to have better graphics and processing power than current gen consoles. I don't think that's asking too much.PurpleMan5000
Same with me, and that's what the WiiU seems to be able to do. Nintendo even said during E3 that Wii games will be played with enhanced graphics. Whether that'll be 720p or 1080p is still unknown, but the point is is that the WiiU will play enhanced Wii games.
I'm pretty sure the PS3 could play just about any Wii game at 1080p. It doesn't have any trouble playing PS2 games at 1080p and 60 fps, and the PS2 was nearly as powerful as the Wii.No one in their right mind would deny that, but I'm not talking about the Wii.
I'm sure I will get it eventually because I'm a sucker for Zelda, but it's not the day one buy it used to be.I'm not going to buy it no matter what, so it doesn't affect me. Nintendo has been a joke for like 10 years now.
StealthMonkey4
[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]
Nintendo has been a joke for like 10 years now.
ChubbyGuy40
Says the uninformed idiot. Even if you rule out the Wii and GC, they dominated handhelds.
This is about consoles, not handhelds. In terms of consoles, they are a joke and have been for a while. Get rid of your nostalgia and realize Nintendo is nothing and never will be again.
In terms of consoles, they are a joke and have been for a while. Get rid of your nostalgia and realize Nintendo is nothing and never will be again.
StealthMonkey4
Nostalgia doesn't make Nintendo's industry and genre leading titles better than they already are. Grow up and you'd be able to understand that.
[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]
[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]
Nintendo has been a joke for like 10 years now.
StealthMonkey4
Says the uninformed idiot. Even if you rule out the Wii and GC, they dominated handhelds.
This is about consoles, not handhelds. In terms of consoles, they are a joke and have been for a while. Get rid of your nostalgia and realize Nintendo is nothing and never will be again.
Yet the company that is nothing...has had the best sales this generation all around. They may not be on top of their game like they used to be on certain aspects, but they are still the leading example in terms of how to make a successful console. Why do you think the Kinect and Move was made?[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]
In terms of consoles, they are a joke and have been for a while. Get rid of your nostalgia and realize Nintendo is nothing and never will be again.
ChubbyGuy40
Nostalgia doesn't make Nintendo's industry and genre leading titles better than they already are. Grow up and you'd be able to understand that.
Are you kidding?? Nintendo has no genre leading titles. Their game lineup is a joke, their controller on Wii is a piece of ****, their online play is laughable, their graphics are constantly years behind the curve. Nintendo is a complete joke save for the occassional Zelda or Mario rehash.
[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]
Says the uninformed idiot. Even if you rule out the Wii and GC, they dominated handhelds.
Voyant
This is about consoles, not handhelds. In terms of consoles, they are a joke and have been for a while. Get rid of your nostalgia and realize Nintendo is nothing and never will be again.
Yet the company that is nothing...has had the best sales this generation all around. They may not be on top of their game like they used to be on certain aspects, but they are still the leading example in terms of how to make a successful console. Why do you think the Kinect and Move was made?Because their motion sensing was the newest fad and attracted people who have never played videogames before. We're discussing actual videogames here, not games that involve jumping around your living-room like an idiot playing some dance or sports game.
[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]
[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]
In terms of consoles, they are a joke and have been for a while. Get rid of your nostalgia and realize Nintendo is nothing and never will be again.
StealthMonkey4
Nostalgia doesn't make Nintendo's industry and genre leading titles better than they already are. Grow up and you'd be able to understand that.
Are you kidding?? Nintendo has no genre leading titles. Their game lineup is a joke, their controller on Wii is a piece of ****, their online play is laughable, their graphics are constantly years behind the curve. Nintendo is a complete joke save for the occassional Zelda or Mario rehash.
No Genre-leading titles? I get that you don't like what they put out. And that's fine. But you aren't the world.Please Log In to post.
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