Games With Bad Gameplay Are Masterpieces Now? The Disease of Cinematic Design

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I haven't insulted anyone's intelligence. A lot of people have simply missed the point. I never called anyone out. You resorted to insults. I see no reason to restate what has been said in the OP, and restated by several people in the thread, XVision and mmm, especially. Multiple times. MuayThaiFTW

No you are being vague intentionally. The post was not too long, not too cerebral, not put together too well.

You made several statements, I addressed them. Even your title is spurious.

A game can have okay gameplay and still be a masterpiece, because games are now more than just gameplay. In order for you to understand what everyone else is going on about, you have to step outside your narrow opinion of what makes a game, and then look at IGN's review objectively. But you refuse to see anyone else's opinion and simply claim to be misunderstood, therefore elevating yourself.

All you want people to do is pat you on the back and agree with you, but it's not going to happen, and thinking we don't get you won't make us any less right than you are.

Ugh.

As detailed as that "analysis" is, I gotta disagree with you about that, Dr. Phil ;)

[QUOTE="ohgeez"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You disagree with someone, therefore that person is an idiot? Real mature. Further, you're citing MGS4 as an example of a game which uses cinematics to a GOOD standard? Are you for real? The actual run time is spent more in cutscenes than actually playing the game. THAT is a problem, and his complaint is perfectly valid. Uncharted is a fun game, but over the course of its three iterations its moved more and more towards a mildly interactive movie and reviewers seem to keep gushing over the 'amazing cinematic experience!' as if stripping away all the GAMEPLAY in favor of a digital movie with mild user interaction is better than a traditional game as we used to know it where the played actually shaped the experience themselves through well designed and executed gameplay. DarkLink77

But thats the thing, it HASN'T done this. Uncharted 1 < Uncharted 2 = Uncharted 3 with the cinematics. The game has roughly the same number of minutes in cutscenes and has MORE gameplay content than Uncharted 2.

These are just fanboy delusions of someone who wants the game to fail. The problem with using Uncharted as an example is that the game does everything well, INCLUDING cinematics. Now, whether you agree or not with it being the best is up to you. Maybe you don't like the aiming, or the story, or the characters or whatever, but to argue that it is suffering because it is moving away from gameplay is just straight up false.

Or you could just believe TC, who has a vendetta against a game he has never played

Well stop being a moron about it and put what you mean clearly in the OP? Seriously, just add a TLDR instead of responding to every post with HUR DURR NOT THE POINT HURRR.

DarkLink, mad props brotha. This is some good s***.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ohgeez"]

But thats the thing, it HASN'T done this. Uncharted 1 < Uncharted 2 = Uncharted 3 with the cinematics. The game has roughly the same number of minutes in cutscenes and has MORE gameplay content than Uncharted 2.

These are just fanboy delusions of someone who wants the game to fail. The problem with using Uncharted as an example is that the game does everything well, INCLUDING cinematics. Now, whether you agree or not with it being the best is up to you. Maybe you don't like the aiming, or the story, or the characters or whatever, but to argue that it is suffering because it is moving away from gameplay is just straight up false.

Or you could just believe TC, who has a vendetta against a game he has never played

GD1551

Well stop being a moron about it and put what you mean clearly in the OP? Seriously, just add a TLDR instead of responding to every post with HUR DURR NOT THE POINT HURRR.

Obviously. :roll:

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ohgeez"]

But thats the thing, it HASN'T done this. Uncharted 1 < Uncharted 2 = Uncharted 3 with the cinematics. The game has roughly the same number of minutes in cutscenes and has MORE gameplay content than Uncharted 2.

These are just fanboy delusions of someone who wants the game to fail. The problem with using Uncharted as an example is that the game does everything well, INCLUDING cinematics. Now, whether you agree or not with it being the best is up to you. Maybe you don't like the aiming, or the story, or the characters or whatever, but to argue that it is suffering because it is moving away from gameplay is just straight up false.

Or you could just believe TC, who has a vendetta against a game he has never played

GD1551

Well stop being a moron about it and put what you mean clearly in the OP? Seriously, just add a TLDR instead of responding to every post with HUR DURR NOT THE POINT HURRR.

How is it that I got the point of the OP by reading it, but you can't? Just read the OP, and pay attention man, this isn't a complicated puzzle requiring intense amounts of brain power to solve. It's all in the OP.

Well stop being a moron about it and put what you mean clearly in the OP? Seriously, just add a TLDR instead of responding to every post with HUR DURR NOT THE POINT HURRR.

GD1551

Not DL's fault 95% of the users here failed to comprehend the point of the thread. They latched onto the bait and didn't let go.

How is it that I got the point of the OP by reading it, but you can't? Just read the OP, and pay attention man, this isn'ta complicated puzzle requiring intense amounts of brain power to solve. It's all in the OP.

XVision84

I got the point of the OP, if you haven't realized I answered it pages back, of course the TC ignored it because he's just trolling, much like he's ignoring most of the posts in the thread and only answering the people who "didn't get it". You would think by now instead of constantly answering those people he would clarify his OP with a TLDR or something, but no that would make trolling much harder.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

How is it that I got the point of the OP by reading it, but you can't? Just read the OP, and pay attention man, this isn'ta complicated puzzle requiring intense amounts of brain power to solve. It's all in the OP.

GD1551

I got the point of the OP, if you haven't realized I answered it pages back, of course the TC ignored it because he's just trolling, much like he's ignoring most of the posts in the thread and only answering the people who "didn't get it". You would think by now instead of constantly answering those people he would clarify his OP with a TLDR or something, but no that would make trolling much harder.

Why would you clarify with a TLDR? People are coming to a forum filled with text, yet they're lazy to read? That makes no sense at all. This thread made it pretty clear who actually reads beyond the title of long threads.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

How is it that I got the point of the OP by reading it, but you can't? Just read the OP, and pay attention man, this isn'ta complicated puzzle requiring intense amounts of brain power to solve. It's all in the OP.

XVision84

I got the point of the OP, if you haven't realized I answered it pages back, of course the TC ignored it because he's just trolling, much like he's ignoring most of the posts in the thread and only answering the people who "didn't get it". You would think by now instead of constantly answering those people he would clarify his OP with a TLDR or something, but no that would make trolling much harder.

Why would you clarify with a TLDR? People are coming to a forum filled with text, yet they're lazy to read? That makes no sense at all. This thread made it pretty clear who actually reads beyond the title of long threads.

If you don't want to clarify why answer the people who don't get it? I don't understand here.

[QUOTE="MuayThaiFTW"][QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

No you are being vague intentionally. The post was not too long, not too cerebral, not put together too well.

You made several statements, I addressed them. Even your title is spurious.

A game can have okay gameplay and still be a masterpiece, because games are now more than just gameplay. In order for you to understand what everyone else is going on about, you have to step outside your narrow opinion of what makes a game, and then look at IGN's review objectively. But you refuse to see anyone else's opinion and simply claim to be misunderstood, therefore elevating yourself.

All you want people to do is pat you on the back and agree with you, but it's not going to happen, and thinking we don't get you won't make us any less right than you are.

Ugh.

XVision84

As detailed as that "analysis" is, I gotta disagree with you about that, Dr. Phil ;)

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I got the point of the OP, if you haven't realized I answered it pages back, of course the TC ignored it because he's just trolling, much like he's ignoring most of the posts in the thread and only answering the people who "didn't get it". You would think by now instead of constantly answering those people he would clarify his OP with a TLDR or something, but no that would make trolling much harder.

GD1551

Why would you clarify with a TLDR? People are coming to a forum filled with text, yet they're lazy to read? That makes no sense at all. This thread made it pretty clear who actually reads beyond the title of long threads.

If you don't want to clarify why answer the people who don't get it? I don't understand here.

There is nothing to clarify, the op is crystal clear. If you read the whole thing, then you can understand DarkLink's point. Sadly, people aren't reading past the title and are assuming that this thread is about how bad Uncharted 3 is.

There is nothing to clarify, the op is crystal clear. If you read the whole thing, then you can understand DarkLink's point. Sadly, people aren't reading past the title and are assuming that this thread is about how bad Uncharted 3 is.

XVision84

That has nothing to do with what I am saying, please stop defending this.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

How is it that I got the point of the OP by reading it, but you can't? Just read the OP, and pay attention man, this isn'ta complicated puzzle requiring intense amounts of brain power to solve. It's all in the OP.

GD1551

I got the point of the OP, if you haven't realized I answered it pages back, of course the TC ignored it because he's just trolling, much like he's ignoring most of the posts in the thread and only answering the people who "didn't get it". You would think by now instead of constantly answering those people he would clarify his OP with a TLDR or something, but no that would make trolling much harder.

BY POPULAR DEMAND, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CANNOT READ, FOLLOW SEMI-COMPLEX THOUGHTS, OR SOMEHOW ORTHERWISE MISSED THE POINT IN THE 700+ POSTS OF THIS THREAD:

This is not about cutscenes, and this is sure as s*** not saying that games should not attempt to tell stories. What it is saying (pay attention now), is that many big-budget, mainstream games have become focused on scripted, cinematic sequences to the extent that they let the player influence the game as little as possible.

The player becomes a necessary inconvenience, raildroaded from one scripted sequence to another, in gameplay segements that will play the same pretty much every time. This is not good game design. As a result the gameplay, which is the most important part of a game, becomes an afterthought, and is, in the case of Uncharted 3, the weakest link.

And yet, this game, which has serious gameplay issues, is heralded as a masterpiece simply because it has good production values. This is a serious issue within the industry.

Are we all on the same page now? yes? Good.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="MuayThaiFTW"] Beautifully well put! And a spot on evaluation of Dark Link. Dark Link is kind of like Lossingends to me in that arguning with both is like talking to a brick wall. You will get no where. I do think DarkLink has some mental issues MuayThaiFTW

As detailed as that "analysis" is, I gotta disagree with you about that, Dr. Phil ;)

DarkLink isn't my idol, I don't have an idol ;)

If my feelings were hurt, I wouldn't be using positive emoticons and typing in a relaxed style, right?

You could say what you like, I just find your posts hilarious and I'm just having some fun in this thread.

Just for you, the following has been added to the OP:

BY POPULAR DEMAND, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CANNOT READ, FOLLOW SEMI-COMPLEX THOUGHTS, OR SOMEHOW ORTHERWISE MISSED THE POINT IN THE 700+ POSTS OF THIS THREAD:

Uncharted 3, the weakest link.

DarkLink77

HE BADMOUTHED UNCHARTED 3 OFF WITH HIS HEAD! :evil:

...is what's going to follow. :P

Let's just all agree that the Megaman X series is the best ever.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

How is it that I got the point of the OP by reading it, but you can't? Just read the OP, and pay attention man, this isn'ta complicated puzzle requiring intense amounts of brain power to solve. It's all in the OP.

DarkLink77

I got the point of the OP, if you haven't realized I answered it pages back, of course the TC ignored it because he's just trolling, much like he's ignoring most of the posts in the thread and only answering the people who "didn't get it". You would think by now instead of constantly answering those people he would clarify his OP with a TLDR or something, but no that would make trolling much harder.

BY POPULAR DEMAND, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CANNOT READ, FOLLOW SEMI-COMPLEX THOUGHTS, OR SOMEHOW ORTHERWISE MISSED THE POINT IN THE 700+ POSTS OF THIS THREAD:

This is not about cutscenes, and this is sure as s*** not saying that games should not attempt to tell stories. What it is saying (pay attention now), is that many big-budget, mainstream games have become focused on scripted, cinematic sequences to the extent that they let the player influence the game as little as possible.

The player becomes a necessary inconvenience, raildroaded from one scripted sequence to another, in gameplay segements that will play the same pretty much every time. This is not good game design. As a result the gameplay, which is the most important part of a game, becomes an afterthought, and is, in the case of Uncharted 3, the weakest link.

And yet, this game, which has serious gameplay issues, is heralded as a masterpiece simply because it has good production values. This is a serious issue within the industry.

Do you get it now?

I got your OP and answered it pages back, answers which you ignored, stop trying to troll me dude, My point was you told at least 30+ people they "didn't get it" yet added nothing to the OP to clarify your thread, while ignoring answers from everyone that "got" your OP.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

How is it that I got the point of the OP by reading it, but you can't? Just read the OP, and pay attention man, this isn'ta complicated puzzle requiring intense amounts of brain power to solve. It's all in the OP.

DarkLink77

I got the point of the OP, if you haven't realized I answered it pages back, of course the TC ignored it because he's just trolling, much like he's ignoring most of the posts in the thread and only answering the people who "didn't get it". You would think by now instead of constantly answering those people he would clarify his OP with a TLDR or something, but no that would make trolling much harder.

BY POPULAR DEMAND, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CANNOT READ, FOLLOW SEMI-COMPLEX THOUGHTS, OR SOMEHOW ORTHERWISE MISSED THE POINT IN THE 700+ POSTS OF THIS THREAD:

This is not about cutscenes, and this is sure as s*** not saying that games should not attempt to tell stories. What it is saying (pay attention now), is that many big-budget, mainstream games have become focused on scripted, cinematic sequences to the extent that they let the player influence the game as little as possible.

The player becomes a necessary inconvenience, raildroaded from one scripted sequence to another, in gameplay segements that will play the same pretty much every time. This is not good game design. As a result the gameplay, which is the most important part of a game, becomes an afterthought, and is, in the case of Uncharted 3, the weakest link.

And yet, this game, which has serious gameplay issues, is heralded as a masterpiece simply because it has good production values. This is a serious issue within the industry.

Are we all on the same page now? yes? Good.

That's 2 paragraphs too long :P You either leave it at 3 short sentences, or be deemed a wall of text.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I got the point of the OP, if you haven't realized I answered it pages back, of course the TC ignored it because he's just trolling, much like he's ignoring most of the posts in the thread and only answering the people who "didn't get it". You would think by now instead of constantly answering those people he would clarify his OP with a TLDR or something, but no that would make trolling much harder.

GD1551

BY POPULAR DEMAND, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CANNOT READ, FOLLOW SEMI-COMPLEX THOUGHTS, OR SOMEHOW ORTHERWISE MISSED THE POINT IN THE 700+ POSTS OF THIS THREAD:

This is not about cutscenes, and this is sure as s*** not saying that games should not attempt to tell stories. What it is saying (pay attention now), is that many big-budget, mainstream games have become focused on scripted, cinematic sequences to the extent that they let the player influence the game as little as possible.

The player becomes a necessary inconvenience, raildroaded from one scripted sequence to another, in gameplay segements that will play the same pretty much every time. This is not good game design. As a result the gameplay, which is the most important part of a game, becomes an afterthought, and is, in the case of Uncharted 3, the weakest link.

And yet, this game, which has serious gameplay issues, is heralded as a masterpiece simply because it has good production values. This is a serious issue within the industry.

Do you get it now?

I got your OP and answered it pages back, answers which you ignored, stop trying to troll me dude, My point was you told at least 30+ people they "didn't get it" yet added nothing to the OP to clarify your thread, yet ignored answers from everyone that "got" your OP.

Please stop trying to spin this, dude. If you have a serious issue with not being addressed, post again. This thread is too long to go post-hunting.

I've answered a ton of people who "got it." I debated them back and forth for pages of posts. Please stop trying to spin this dude. If you have a serious issue with not being addressed, post again. This thread is too long to go post-hunting.DarkLink77

I don't have an issue with anything, I gave up after I saw what you were doing. It's not hard to spot a troll on the internet, especially one that likes to play mr hateraid.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]I've answered a ton of people who "got it." I debated them back and forth for pages of posts. Please stop trying to spin this dude. If you have a serious issue with not being addressed, post again. This thread is too long to go post-hunting.GD1551

I don't have an issue with anything, I gave up after I saw what you were doing. It's not hard to spot a troll on the internet, especially one that likes to play mr hateraid.

[QUOTE="MuayThaiFTW"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

How did this thread turn into a comparison between puzzle-adventures and hack n Slash games? If you think Zelda is about the combat, then you're insane. The whole meat and bones of the series is solving puzzles with the equipment you gain throughout the game.

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Just for you, the following has been added to the OP:

BY POPULAR DEMAND, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CANNOT READ, FOLLOW SEMI-COMPLEX THOUGHTS, OR SOMEHOW ORTHERWISE MISSED THE POINT IN THE 700+ POSTS OF THIS THREAD:

This is not about cutscenes, and this is sure as s*** not saying that games should not attempt to tell stories. What it is saying (pay attention now), is that many big-budget, mainstream games have become focused on scripted, cinematic sequences to the extent that they let the player influence the game as little as possible.

The player becomes a necessary inconvenience, raildroaded from one scripted sequence to another, in gameplay segements that will play the same pretty much every time. This is not good game design. As a result the gameplay, which is the most important part of a game, becomes an afterthought, and is, in the case of Uncharted 3, the weakest link.

And yet, this game, which has serious gameplay issues, is heralded as a masterpiece simply because it has good production values. This is a serious issue within the industry.

Do you get it now?

DarkLink77

I got your OP and answered it pages back, answers which you ignored, stop trying to troll me dude, My point was you told at least 30+ people they "didn't get it" yet added nothing to the OP to clarify your thread, yet ignored answers from everyone that "got" your OP.

Please stop trying to spin this, dude. If you have a serious issue with not being addressed, post again. This thread is too long to go post-hunting.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I got your OP and answered it pages back, answers which you ignored, stop trying to troll me dude, My point was you told at least 30+ people they "didn't get it" yet added nothing to the OP to clarify your thread, yet ignored answers from everyone that "got" your OP.

MuayThaiFTW

Please stop trying to spin this, dude. If you have a serious issue with not being addressed, post again. This thread is too long to go post-hunting.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Once again, this is not about cutscenes. If we could get some people who could read to come into this thread, that'd be great.DarkLink77

Well stop being a moron about it and put what you mean clearly in the OP? Seriously, just add a TLDR instead of responding to every post with HUR DURR NOT THE POINT HURRR.

Obviously. :roll:

Doesn't make the point any more valid or you any more credible.

You are arguing about how cinematics are a trend that are ruining gameplay but pick uncharted 3 as your example, a game which you have never played, and many people will put hundreds of hours into, because they love the gameplay.

So cinematics are a disease to videogames because you read something on the internet about a games aiming mechanic, a game which people loved, and you just don't see it. Therefore, it must be something wrong with the world!!

Well, I can pick to play a game like uncharted, which has great gameplay (imo and many others) and flashy cinematics, or maybe a nintendo game if I want some good ole fashion gameplay only. OR, I could go play some duke nukem, which has a crappy story and crappy gameplay.

But nowhere do I see this huge list of games with horrible gameplay because of flashy cinematics. True, there may be a few exceptions and games that we, as gamers, may just have a personal disinterest in. But you are fabricating an imaginary phenomenon to explain why you don't like a type of game. Get over yourself

Isn't Uncharted having bad gameaply an opinion? It can still be regarded a masterpiece. Heck, Zelda OoT isn't hailed best game of all time due to it's gameplay, it's hailed because of everything else.

From the book "Fundamentals of Game Design" by Adams and Rollings, "Commandment: Be a Game Designer, Not a Filmmaker. Don't design a game to show off your skills as a film director or an author. Design a game to entertain by giving the player things to do. Always give the player more gameplay than narration. The player, not the story, is the star of the show"lordlors

+1

Whomever wrote that knows what's up.

[QUOTE="mD-"]

Let us know when you actually play this game darklink

DarkLink77

Isn't Uncharted having bad gameaply an opinion? It can still be regarded a masterpiece. Heck, Zelda OoT isn't hailed best game of all time due to it's gameplay, it's hailed because of everything else.

TrapJak

[QUOTE="lordlors"]From the book "Fundamentals of Game Design" by Adams and Rollings, "Commandment: Be a Game Designer, Not a Filmmaker. Don't design a game to show off your skills as a film director or an author. Design a game to entertain by giving the player things to do. Always give the player more gameplay than narration. The player, not the story, is the star of the show"mmmwksil

+1

Whomever wrote that knows what's up.

Would you believe me if I said that I wrote it?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="mD-"]

Let us know when you actually play this game darklink

mD-

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

+1

Whomever wrote that knows what's up.

SW__Troll

Would you believe me if I said that I wrote it?

You're not giving me much of a reason to believe you... so no. :P

oh man and I thought you were talking about Zelda Skyward Sword's bad controls.

[QUOTE="MuayThaiFTW"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I've answered a ton of people who "got it." I debated them back and forth for pages of posts. I (and others) have clarified it multiple times, and I added the summary you wanted. Like, seriously, what more do you want?

Please stop trying to spin this, dude. If you have a serious issue with not being addressed, post again. This thread is too long to go post-hunting.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="mD-"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Chalk up another one in the "Missed the Point" category.

DarkLink77

I don't think that the majority thinks that Uncharted series has bad gameplay. There has been a lot of criticism about the changes to the aiming in Uncharted 3 and some have tried going as far as comparing the melee system to Arkham City (which is a FRICKEN action beat-em-up, really?). Overall people have really enjoyed the gameplay (meaning yes, they think it's good - including me). Online wise, there is no other competitive third person shooter/platformer multiplayer on the market. People jump around, dodge, evade, and work together with the buddy system and still use stealth all the time. It all really works well whether offline or online.

nice post. this is one of the reasons i hate the uncharted series. i do not like games that take away control from me in an effort to show me cool things. it's like your mommy holding your hand and pointing at things instead of you actually going there yourself.princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

I agree with the OP. On top of that the IGN review was bizarre. The reviewer gave it a 10/10 for 'lasting appeal' but in the article described the short campaign and adequate but not great multiplayer.

SW__Troll

Maybe the lasting appeal meant the money Sony gave him for the review would be able to last throughout the holidays?

Uncharted: DF and U2 had tons of lasting appeal for me, because I played them many times. Lasting appeal doesn't mean game length, as a long game can feel old a few hours in and never touched again.

This thread still going is hilarious. The OP failed in every aspect of delivering a point.

Link that doesn't back up attempted point.

Using Uncharted 3 without actually identifying what is so horrible about the gameplay, how the cinimatic moments detract from the game as a whole, or explaining how one cinematic game makes all games cinematic by default.

[QUOTE="mD-"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Chalk up another one in the "Missed the Point" category.

DarkLink77

100% agree. When did games become like this? Since when has it been standard to make an average action game, wrap it up in an epic setting with a poor story, and call it AAA?

Never mind that nearly every game ever made has a terrible story when compared to films, books, and tv.

The sole aspect of gaming that separates it from other entertainment mediums is interactiveness. That's been lost.

Thank God for games like Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, and Skyrim.

This thread still going is hilarious. The OP failed in every aspect of delivering a point.

Link that doesn't back up attempted point.

Using Uncharted 3 without actually identifying what is so horrible about the gameplay, how the cinimatic moments detract from the game as a whole, or explaining how one cinematic game makes all games cinematic by default.

Pug-Nasty

Yet you still don't understand. You really shouldn't try to act high and mighty simply because you failed to see the point and are so obviously butthurt he used your precious Uncharted series as the example.

He did address those issues, but like the blind cow you are, you simply skipped over them while enraged by the use of Uncharted as the example.

100% agree. When did games become like this? Since when has it been standard to make an average action game, wrap it up in an epic setting with a poor story, and call it AAA?

Never mind that nearly every game ever made has a terrible story when compared to films, books, and tv.

The sole aspect of gaming that separates it from other entertainment mediums is interactiveness. That's been lost.

Thank God for games like Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, and Skyrim.

goblaa

The gulf between games and popular films and tv is not that great. If people can get hooked on the X files, then there should really be no problem with enjoying a game story.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="mD-"] Um, you just declared the gameplay as the weakest link of Uncharted 3 without playing the game. Then you go further to use this game to illustrate of what's wrong with gaming journalism. How can you be in a position to make claims like this when you haven't even played the game for yourself and witnessed how the game plays. Most reviews didn't have a problem with the gameplay and actually recognized the enhancements, especially with the more dynamic melee system. Despite the janky animations with it sometimes (due to lack of polish maybe), the melee system is still great most of the time and allows you to do pretty awesome stuff, especially if you are good at using objects around you (by pressing O). Btw, I'm what I've heard (and I haven't tried hard yet since Normal was pretty hard), playing on hard mode takes away the buttons from showing up on screen in during melee so as you can imagine, it makes the game feel different in a good wayMuayThaiFTW

[QUOTE="MuayThaiFTW"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I really don't need to play the game to make a statement that a majority of the community and the reviewing community (see the article) seem to agree with. DarkLink77

When you use the word "cinematic," for some reason people think you're talking about "cinematics." God knows why.

Really, it's up to you to provide a coherrent argument. So, what are you talking about? You're upset that games are valued for reasons other than gameplay?