No cheevos, no achievement hunters, no overpriced DLC for content that should have been on the disc, no constant patching to excuse lazy development and no wagglecam?

Someone get me a time machine.

If Microsoft never joined gaming then there would be no such things as: Friends Lists and voice chat, Matchmaking, A single ID, Gamerscore competition, Firmware updates, Downloadable content (DLC), Pay to play, Community, Cloud computing, Trial Games, Achievements and Kinect.

Xbox gave all those things before Sony did. If there was no Microsoft then Sony wouldnt have any reason to make anything better. Having no competition WOULD KILL GAMING!!!!

No! Why people would buy Xbox One and PS4 when they same price, same games and same powerful. Why would they do that? Then people would buy PS4 instead and nobody wouldnt buy Xbox One. Also Xbox 360 highest selling game is Kinect game. Kinect also outsold Original Xbox and gave massive profit. Nobody need 100% same consoles with same games. Microsoft still keeps hardcore gamers on their side + now steal all casual gamers from Nintendo. Nintendo is down, Wii U is too confusing for people, casual gamers does not want Wii U. Why not having casual and hardcore gamers on 1 console than all hardcore gamers on PS4 and Xbox One and casual gamers no where(not even on Wii U).

I hope we see near future more games like Kinect Sports Rivals(high quality) than Fighter Within. Kinect just needs more time. Yeah, not every game needs to be Kinect function. Focus on controller games and focus on Kinect games. Again, its all up to game developers. Microsoft gave Kinect and then game developers do what they want with hardware.

This. For some reason i feel that in 2016-2017 year there will be most party games on Xbox One(like Just Dance and this kinda stuff). I mean Nintendo is not selling Wii consoles anymore and Wii U is so confusing. Microsoft however knows how to do good marketing. Microsoft easily can and will steal many casual gamers. Wii games soon won´t be made and Wii U nobody buys(only Zelda and Mario fans) which leads all casual gamers to go on Xbox One. I feel that Microsoft may make new SKU like 100GB hard drive + Kinect and same price as PS4 or kinda like that.

I know my english sucks but i hope you understand :)

I hope we see near future more games like Kinect Sports Rivals(high quality) than Fighter Within. Kinect just needs more time. Yeah, not every game needs to be Kinect function. Focus on controller games and focus on Kinect games. Again, its all up to game developers. Microsoft gave Kinect and then game developers do what they want with hardware.

idk about that....they are doing pretty well with a $500 price point as it is.

I like kinect so no, they should offer a $400 price point without kinect though and I am sure they will.

Nah, just a large chunk are cheap

Those people don't even own all the consoles yet they'll talk about all of them

But i think if they offer Kinect without Xbox One then most people would buy cheaper SKU without Kinect and then when game developers make Kinect games then it flops because nobody dident buy Kinect. All Xbox One comes with Kinect = more game developers, features and games. I mean PS4 got Eye but it´s so useless and dead already. Microsoft said that they won´t drop Kinect ever