[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

It will most likely be the best powerhouse console on the market and I'll be using it for 3rd party a lot, but Nintendo's first party completely decimates Sony's. 

The ultimate console would be one that plays Nintendo's first party as awell as all the 3rd party games.

lostrib

Lol, I see this claim all the time and for the life of me I still can't figure out how a company remaking the same 3-4 games over and over and over agin for 30 years is somehow better than anyone else.

they make fun games

OK, how's about they make some new ones?

It will most likely be the best powerhouse console on the market and I'll be using it for 3rd party a lot, but Nintendo's first party completely decimates Sony's. 

The ultimate console would be one that plays Nintendo's first party as awell as all the 3rd party games.

Pikminmaniac

Lol, I see this claim all the time and for the life of me I still can't figure out how a company remaking the same 3-4 games over and over and over again for 30 years is somehow better than anyone else.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

actually serious gaming starts with tahiti, the 7900 gpus, 7800 pitcairn are the mid lvl gpus and bonaire are just a joke like xbone.

legalize82

I've had my eye on the rumors about the upcoming AMD 9970. 5 tflops, 4 gigs of GDDR5, 512 bit memory bus... awesome. Maybe I could couple that with the upcoming 5 ghz Steamroller CPU (Yeah, I know Intel CPUs are suppose to be better but I'm a little bit of an AMD fanboy. I like rooting for the little guy). Would cost a pretty penny but would be a hell of a gaming rig.

Meh, I don't think it would be $2000. Maybe $1,500.

[QUOTE="legalize82"]

it's true it got the best gfx on paper console wise. the best 1st party with fresh new franchises not marios and zeldas for 20 decades or halos. it has the best price and it's not overpriced. it has GDDR5 unified memory true next gen. ps+ has the best value.

 

AMD agreed

 

serious gaming begins with pitcairn

 

we can fight all day but in the end cows will have everything a gamer needKrelian-co

actually serious gaming starts with tahiti, the 7900 gpus, 7800 pitcairn are the mid lvl gpus and bonaire are just a joke like xbone.

I've had my eye on the rumors about the upcoming AMD 9970. 5 tflops, 4 gigs of GDDR5, 512 bit memory bus... awesome. Maybe I could couple that with the upcoming 5 ghz Steamroller CPU (Yeah, I know Intel CPUs are suppose to be better but I'm a little bit of an AMD fanboy. I like rooting for the little guy). Would cost a pretty penny but would be a hell of a gaming rig.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="legalize82"] those people are ripping themself off legalize82

By being forced to pay for a service they don't necessarily want? rather than just being able to play online for free

Those games suck ... so who cares?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="legalize82"] not only gfx wise ps4 has everything coverd there are no negativeslegalize82

I don't know man, these things are so underpowered it's got me considering skipping consoles altogether and getting a gaming PC. I mean, they're weak now! Imagine what they're gonna seem like in a few years. The only thing giving me pause is the simple fact that I don't play games nearly as much as I used to and I don't know if I'd play games on a PC often enough to justify the cost.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Ultimate console? I don't think so. The chips should be more powerful than they are for a console launching in late 2013. Yes, The Xbox One is weaker, so much so that it's making PS4 look better than what it is. But just because you can outperform a ridiculously weak console doesn't make you an ultimate console. Both of these consoles should be 2.5 tflops.

legalize82

Hmm, 1.8 tflops stomps on Xbox One but in the grand scheme of things that's pretty underpowered for this day and age.

Ultimate console? I don't think so. The chips should be more powerful than they are for a console launching in late 2013. Yes, The Xbox One is weaker, so much so that it's making PS4 look better than what it is. But just because you can outperform a ridiculously weak console doesn't make you an ultimate console. Both of these consoles should be 2.5 tflops.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

 

You sure? Considering MS is launching a 1.2 tflops console at the end of the year it might be 2009 or 2010.

tormentos

Read my last post is very interesting and it show that bonaire doesn't scale well when you over clock it,even that it has 1.79 TF count it performs lower than the 7850 which has 1.76 TF.

Even the OC one performs worse even if the xbox one get a speed bump which i doubt it,it will do little,apparently flop count in Bonaire is not apple to apple in GCN,which should tell you something,because the 7770 > 7750 and teh 7870 > 7850 and the 7850 > 7770 in all cases higher flops wins,on bonaire case is 1.79 yet it losses to the 7850 by several frames.

This should tell you something when comparing the flop count of the xbox one which is 1.23 vs the 7770 which is 1.28.

I still think you're underestimating the effect the 128 bit bus has on the 7790. 7850 has a 256 bit bus.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

 

tormentos has problems with the little details. :lol:

tormentos

Oh performance is not a line in sertain GPU vs others..

And i just learn something that will shoot down one of your theories.

Remember how you use to say that a 7850 over clocked will be = to 18 CU GPU with 800mhz.?

You can trow that theory out of the window at least on GCN..

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7790/Pages/radeon-7790.aspx#3

The 7790 Bonaire....14 CU 1ghz 1.79 TF count...

vs

http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKTOP/GRAPHICS/7000/7850/Pages/radeon-7850.aspx#3

The 7850.... 16 CU 860mhz 1.76 TF..

Apparently Bonaire doesn't scale linearly even that is tag as a 1.79TF GPU for having 14CU at 1ghz,it fall behind the 7850 with 860mhz and 16 CU.

This should be very worry some for MS,increasing the clock speed on bonaire will not scale linearly as the 7850 would.

Look as not even over clocked 7790  can pass the 7850,this is not good for the xbox one,any clock increase should be meaning less qith 12CU the PS4 would still beat it quite easy.

Funny because from Cape Verde to Pitcairn to Tahiti all are a line and the one with more flops perform better,on Bonaire case even that it has higher clock speed and high flops than the 7850 Pitcairn it doesn't beat it graphically is basically the exeption of the rule and is the GPU inside the xbox one..

This keep getting better and better..:lol:

You don't know $hit. ESRAM will do something to close the performance gap.ronvalencia

ESRAM will do sh** to close the performance gap is not a flop increaser is a damn bandaid to help the xbox one with slow ass DDR3 memory,if the xbox one had GDDR5 now it would not have ESRAM for anything.

Now ESRAM will increase performance my fu***** god you are to in love with MS and the xbox one.

I think a part of that is the crappy 128 bit bus in 7790.