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#1 Wickerman777
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@Warlord_Irochi said:

Well, that was deep...

By that logic PS2 should be a worse system than the first Xbox, right? because... don't mind the games! Power is all that matters it seems.

Really...

Really doesn't apply. It ain't like then, both systems get pretty much the same games and exclusives are so rare anymore that it's pretty much a thing of the past.

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@tormentos said:
@nyadc said:
@playharderfool said:

Its not power, that's just a plus remember most casuals don't even know the general specs of these machines but they do remember and associate certain games to these systems

That's the problem I have with this generation, there's so many casual gamers who don't really know or understand what these technical and graphical output capabilities actually mean in reality. and they are blowing them completely out of proportion.

Yes they are blowing it out of proportion i mean 720p vs 1080p is nothing,now if it was like last gen where the XBO 360 was killing the PS3 doing 720p while the PS3 did 640p now that is a huge gap a very huge huge gap,i remember how lemmings use to brag about it in both GTA4 and RDR as well.

But thank god 720p vs 1080p and 900p vs 1080p is nothing....lol

Enjoy that 1080p Witcher 3 at 19 fps, ha ha.

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@Pray_to_me said:

Filthy Rat Lemmings know that their ghetto console is bum juice and it rocks them to their very core. Gaylo 5 is looking like another dud too. Microsoft needs to get back to making spreadsheets and get the **** out of the console business. lol!

Actually many "lemmings" know that X1's hardware is shit. The amusing part is that so many Sony loyalists fail to recognize that their console's hardware sucks only slightly less. Y'all make out like one is a turd and the other is gold. Nope, they're both turds. PS4 may be a somewhat more firm, less repugnant turd but it's a turd nonetheless.

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I wouldn't say that gamers are OK with anything. This fanbase whines and complains more than any other.

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#5  Edited By Wickerman777
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They both suck. The GPUs are disappointing but the CPUs are a disaster. Perhaps GPGPU will help if anyone ever decides to use it. PS4 has a clear advantage there with its 8 ACE units vs X1's 2. And well, how the hell will anyone do GPGPU on X1 anyway? There's barely enough power for graphics as it is so I don't see anyone wanting to subtract from that even more by dedicating some of those resources to compute.

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@Chozofication said:
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Crytek : 8GB is not enough for Ps4/XB1

Also consider that, These consoles only have access to about 5GB.

Bleh, whatever. What sub 2 tflops PC GPU comes with 8 gigs of memory or even 5 gigs of it?

Well first of all, plenty of PC gpus could use more memory, take AMD's fury X for example. PC graphic cards aren't exempt from being memory bottle necked.

Second, that 5GB's the consoles have is for the CPU as well as the GPU...

If you want an example of how much memory a system should have relative to its other components, look to the Wii U.

The amount of RAM in these consoles is not the problem. 8 gigs is fine. That's the only thing they did right. Well, MS got that part partially right; the architecture is wrong but the amount is good. The shortcomings of these consoles is with the processing, the GPUs and especially the CPUs.

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@Chozofication said:
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Unless a console had a gargantuan amount of processing power I can't imagine what it would do with 16 gigs of memory. Considering the weakness of PS4 and X1 8 gigs might be overkill.

Crytek : 8GB is not enough for Ps4/XB1

Also consider that, These consoles only have access to about 5GB.

Bleh, whatever. What sub 2 tflops PC GPU comes with 8 gigs of memory or even 5 gigs of it?

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#8  Edited By Wickerman777
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@Chozofication said:
@foxhound_fox said:
@Chozofication said:

No it's not. If you have a gpu that's 10 teraflops but only has 4GB of super fast memory, that gpu can only fill that 4GB and is leaving a lot of power on the table that's wasted.

Likewise if that GPU had 8GB of GDDR3 it would be limited to filling that memory at a low speed and also would be a waste.

We went from 32-50 mb OS's with the 360 and Ps3 to 3GB+ with the Ps4 and Xb1, and hell the Wii U actually uses the most memory for its OS relative to how much it has (2GB and the OS uses half) so your estimations are baseless and ignore the linear nature of memory advancement. There's a reason why the biggest want that developers had when talking to the Cerny an the Ps4 hardware team was memory. And actually, 8GB is still not enough for the console to have 0 bottlenecks because of the huge OS.

So then why are PC gamers still not needing much more than 8GB of quality RAM these days despite games getting substantially better looking than they were 5-7 years ago when 4GB of RAM was almost unheard of?

And the XB1/PS4 OS's actually bloat up over 3GB of RAM? That's disgusting.

Actually 8GB is not that much anymore, plenty of games now recommend 6-8GB's so 16GB is the new 8GB. 4GB is what I used in 2011 (when games recommended 2-4GB) and back then 8GB was not a crazy amount to have. You should always have a surplus of memory.

And yes I agree 3GB for the OS is way too much for a console, but since they're trying to be more like PC than good consoles this is what we get :P

Unless a console had a gargantuan amount of processing power I can't imagine what it would do with 16 gigs of memory. Considering the weakness of PS4 and X1 8 gigs might be overkill. Or probably the other way around is actually right, 8 gigs of memory is good but the rest of the hardware isn't up to snuff.

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#9  Edited By Wickerman777
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@guard12 said:

Kinda hope it has more ram. That is the only concerning thing for me when reading these specs (if they are even true)

They aren't. Are as ridiculous as the claims misterxmedia was making about X1. We don't even know if NX is gonna be a console yet. Could be a handheld. But if it is a console I think the most people can realistically hope for is that Nintendo will get the GPU up over 2 tflops. That would edge out PS4 and go well passed X1.

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#10  Edited By Wickerman777
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Had the Colecovision, then Sega Genesis (Yep, I skipped the 8 bit gen), then I bought a 3DO and SNES on the same day. Then it was Playstation followed by Dreamcast. After that it was Xbox and then Xbox 360. I haven't gotten a gen 8 console yet but intend to get both X1 and PS4 probably before the year is out.