@Geocross: If he was a super star I would know about him wouldn't I?
You need to be super star to headline major HBO fights, but nobody knows who Canelo is either.
Other than boxing fans, who the hell knows Canelo and Golovkin, both are considered super stars of their sport at present day, but they might as well be nobodies.
@kyelo: Ali was never the best, he never threw a single bodyshot, he didn't have a big punch, but its his character, personality and his entertaining presence that made him legendary,
Also Mike Tyson was never the best either, he never used the jab, weaved too much and was open to uppercuts, and had little reach.
What I'm saying is that being the best technically doesn't equate to being legendary,
Famous people aren't necessarily the best, they are usually the most entertaining and the most charismatic, also the most unique.
Was Pele the best, was Ruth the best, was Gretzsky the best? They were all unique, charismatic, and entertaining, but the best, I don't know. Is Mann Pacquiao the best? He lost to Mayweather, but he's much more famous then Mayweather will ever be, think on that.
@mpl911: You really need to be superb and very charismatic at your sport to become internationally famous outside of your sport.
Not many sports nowadays have people that famous. Manny Pacquiao is the last guy to do that in any recent sport. My mom, whose never watched a boxing match in her life, was mentioning Pacquiao to me one day, she says "Oh yeah its that Philipino boxing champ, I heard he's good", that's when you know you've hit that scale of international renown.
Maybe one of these guys will one day become that famous, who knows.
@mpl911: I think you are truly famous when you are so good at the sport that people outside of the sport starts to talk about you, that's famous, famous.
You ask me to name a basketball player, I say Michael Jordan, baseball player, Babe Ruth, Hockey, Wayne Gretzky, Boxing, Ali, Soccer Pele etc, etc.
The fact that these guys haven't broken out of their sport in fame shows that they are not superb.
@Geocross: Never said that they weren't good, just said they aren't super stars. Nobody who isn't already a soccer fan will know who any of these guys are.
@sakaixx: I'm talking about famous. The fact that I don't give a shit about football or soccer or whatever and I still know Ronaldo, Messi and Beckham means these people are famous.
The fact that you need to explain tome who these guys are means they are not famous.
Famous is Famous. I shouldn't ever need you or anyone who likes soccer to tell me who someone is, if they were truly famous, I would already know them.
The fact that everyone on Earth knows who Ali, Tyson and Hollyfield is means they are famous.
Famous is Famous, famous people don't need introductions. You shouldn't have to tell me who these people are I should already know them, regardless if I like soccer or not.
Every heard of Bruce Lee? Do I need to explain who he is? Exactly.
@Seymour47: I loved the Ghost in the Shell movies, both of them even with all the pseudo philosophical crap added in. Mostly due to the amazing cinematography and amazing animation. But for the life of me I couldn't sit through a single episode of GIS animated series, even the new series is unbearable. I guess once you remove the high production value and amazing animation of GIS the movie, all you're left with is just a bunch of static faces spewing pseudo philosophy. LOL
@ShepardCommandr: Japanese anime love spewing pseudo philosophical crap, its annoying as hell.
It cuts down on cost, since you don't need to animate much when its just static heads talking,
Older animes tend to have more action and less philosophical crap but then again, older animes had bigger budgets and could afford to actually animate things.
I find the Ghost in the Shell series being the worst offender of spewing philosophical crap.
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