@simmons5533: You only get caught in the middle when you prematurely ditch a console generation to start a new one. Sega did this with Saturn, then Dreamcast. They kind of prematurely ditched the Sega CD and 32X and jumped to Saturn before Nintendo, and then when they saw that Saturn was struggling they again prematurely ditched Saturn to jump to Dreamcast.
Its a trapping of your own making, when you get caught in mid-gen cycles. Which is what Nintendo is doing now.
You either ride out the loss or you jump to another gen. But you pay the price either way.
A consolidated console would essentially force the entire Japanese market to pay attention and then they can slowly work on the rest of the world together.
@wolfpup7: Maybe you are right, I might have misplaced my blame on the geezers. Geezers got wisdom, and you can't be beat wisdom.
You know, you just convinced me. Won't say another bad thing about the Nintendo geezers again.
Now that I think about back in the days, Nintendo always had the best hardware. So the geezers were keeping the fort down, and the new guy is the one to blame. Thank god he passed then.
@wolfpup7: Yes, very few people understand what we do. Wii was a hardware mammoth seller, but was the beginning of the end for Nintendo. Because like you said, it eroded away all serious third-party support and eroded away Nintendo's hardcore gamer base due to its lack of AAA titles, which stems from its lack of hardware proficiency to handle AAA titles. Though the Wii sold in buckets it marked the end of Nintendo being taken seriously as major console manufacturer and relegated them into the realm of the casual and the mundane. Their systems were seen as toys rather than serious gaming machines, and that marked the beginning of the end.
With Wii U, they entered a market where they were 7 years behind the hardware curve and had lost their entire hardcore gamer base, hence the Wii U sold so poorly, because what made up a huge percentage of the Wii sales were Nintendo's hardcore fans, who all fled to MS and Sony, and the non hardcore gamers, just lost interest in motion control and hence Wii U reflects Nintendo's current remaining home console fanbase which is about 13million.
If Nintendo follows the same plan, they will lose that remaining 13million core fans, and will be relegated to a third party software vendor like Sega. But that is a trap of their own making.
What I despise is the fact that Nintendo poor decision making also trickled into Sony and MS's camp, two companies who have always prided themselves in creating the most advanced consoles that the technology could bare, suddenly started turning out weak hardware. Luckily both MS and Sony have seen the light and are now to trying to rectify that mistake with mid-cycle console revisions, but if they had done the right thing to begin with, there would be no need for a mid-cycle console revision.
Nintendo has single handedly set some really bad precedents for the industry that have trickled into every other company. Now we find ourselves in the midst of 3 mid-generation console upgrades, with PS4.XB1 and Wii U all being replaced by newer hardware. This is all Nintendo's doing.
A healthy industry is now broken into fragments, because 1 company decided to break the rules.
A console should always be light years ahead of the current tech trend, and should always sustain an entire generation cycle before a refresh, sadly it is no longer like that. Thanks Nintendo.
P.S I kind of foresaw the mid-cycle upgrades which is why I held back on getting an XB1 after I got the PS4, waiting for the new 4K version of the XB1 to come out. And I was right.
@wolfpup7: Its safe to say the Wii is when Nintendo went wrong, they started believing in their own Coolaid, and started drinking it and forcing others to drink it.
Wii marked the first time a console was launched below industry standard specs, and bizarrely enough actually sold well, it set bad precedence for both Nintendo and Sony and MS.
Suddenly everyone believed that it was possible to release a console below industry standard specs and still get a long healthy console lifespan. News flash, you can't have your pie and eat it too. As Nintendo found out the hard way with Wii U, which was essentially the same spec as the PS3, one entire generation behind its time.
Sony and MS, decided to follow suit with Nintendo and released XB1 and PS4 with specs below industry standard, during a time when 4K was the newest most advanced thing, they both released consoles that can barely push 1080p, now both Sony and MS realize that their sadly underpowered consoles will not last a full gaming generation and they are all backtracking and are now starting to develop the 4K beasts that they should have released originally.
The only reason PS3 and XB360 lasted for 10 years was because both systems had hardware that was lightyears ahead of the industry standard, each company took a loss on the systems at launch. This is the natural state of things.
@Gamecube_Gamer: But its always better with 3. Maybe Nintendo will team up with Sega and do NintenGa cross system with exclusives from both Sega and Nintendo.
@simmons5533: Nintendo is run by a bunch of really old Japanese geezers, like ancient, these dudes were alive when Zelda was invented. Old people don't get with the times.
It took like 2 decades for Zelda to finally stop getting hearts from cutting grass for crying out loud.
Recently due to people dying and Wii U failing, Nintendo started to bring in new younger generation people into the decision making, which would explain the huge changes you see in the company, such as shift to mobile gaming, and even a new Mario Game that will change Mario.
It takes a lot of momentum to change an ancient Japanese company like Nintendo, its what killed Sega, because they just couldn't change fast enough. But Nintendo is trying, just don't know if its enough.
kazeswen's comments