[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="KCKING23"]can you respect the damn man he is still the best quit being a hater

Sik_kid_pk

Go back and read my initial post i NEVER said he wasn't a clutch player i said he doesn't have a history of last second game winning shots in the playoffs. That doesn't mean he never had great games, or plays. I'm just stating the facts. Find me his signature playoff shot. What's so bad about this is that you got me bashing Kobe and i'm not even a kobe "hater" like a lot of people on here are. I actually enjoy watching him play.

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]

[QUOTE="Sik_kid_pk"] You sir, don't know what the hell you're talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOwv0tqtwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U616sib8v-Y

list of games http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=78986

4 of those 7 "cluch playoff moments" were 2 free throws, two offensive rebound put backs, and a shot with 40 SECONDS left. you won't see any of those on playoff highlight reels. Nobody cares about free throws, or offensive rebound tip ins. The other 3 are fine, but they have no lasting impression. Nobody remembers those. They don't have any imprint in people's mind when it comes to NBA playoff history. That's all i'm saying. My point once again is as clutch as he is (AND I NEVER SAID HE WASN'T CLUTCH), where is his signature playoff shot? that's it

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]

to be fair as good as he's been it's not like the guy has a reel of last second playoff shots. He's got the one against phoenix in like 06 or 07 and that's really it. He's had big games don't get me wrong, but when you see highlights of all the great last second plays in nba playoff history, he's never shown cause there aren't any. Clutch games - yes, clutch last second shots - not so much

Sik_kid_pk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U616sib8v-Y

list of games http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=78986

4 of those 7 "cluch playoff moments" were 2 free throws, two offensive rebound put backs, and a shot with 40 SECONDS left. you won't see any of those on playoff highlight reels. Nobody cares about free throws, or offensive rebound tip ins. The other 3 are fine, but they have no lasting impression. Nobody remembers those. They don't have any imprint in people's mind when it comes to NBA playoff history. That's all i'm saying. My point once again is as clutch as he is (AND I NEVER SAID HE WASN'T CLUTCH), where is his signature playoff shot? that's it

to be fair as good as he's been it's not like the guy has a reel of last second playoff shots. He's got the one against phoenix in like 06 or 07 and that's really it. He's had big games don't get me wrong, but when you see highlights of all the great last second plays in nba playoff history, he's never shown cause there aren't any. Clutch games - yes, clutch last second shots - not so much

I hate the Thunder's offense. They have ZERO ball movement every night. Even on their good nights their offense is relatable to the Atlanta Hawks. A whole bunch of dribbiling, none or one pass per possesion, and isolation one on one plays. The only difference is that Durant and Westbrook are better than anything the Hawks have so it masks that problem. Even when they look good it's because they are hitting every shot, or getting fast break points. They are a VERY average fundamental half court team. I don't know if that's on the coach, or if that's the personel, or what. But it's going to be hard to win a championship this year, or in the future, with the offense they run

i don't know if it's a lack of bench or what, but in all 3 games the lakers have worn down in the 4th qtr. Who knew sasha voujacic and jordan farmar's energy off the bench would be missed so much

mont13

come on mont don't give up faith yet. but don't worry even if they do come back to win this series and win it all, "sixringz1-sixfinalsMVPs" will be waiting in the wings:D

Well, can't count on them winning it this year even if they beat Dallas (which they won't, unless Pau Gasoft wakes up out of his sleep walking, D. Fish gets about 10 years younger, Kobe's knees, fingers and years of wear and tear on his body gets miracously reversed, Phil gets out of the chair and starts actually making coaching adjustments..., did I mention Pau getting "a pair"!?)...anyway, yeah no faith in that stuff happening :cry:.

Oh well, it's been "real" watching the best, most complete, most versatile, exciting, dramatic, killer basketball player to ever lace em up,... KB!

MJ? ...He ah'ight ;)

This is not the "same" Mav's team, I saw that in the Portland series. They are tougher, play better defense, probably hungrier and tired of all the "soft" talk and past failures and seem really focused.

The Lakers will probably win the next game, probably, but the curtain is closing on this team. They have to get younger and make other adjustments (like decrease the use of the triangle offense, imo). I saw it in several losses in the regular season, they tried but couldn't get the win, mostly due to being out-quicked (among other things).

But it's been a good run, especially for Kobe and Fisher. It happens to every team and player, nothing lasts forever. Maybe they will shock me and come back in this series, but I would be shocked.

Shame, I was looking forward to changing my name to "sixringztoo" !

mont13

come on mont don't give up faith yet. but don't worry even if they do come back to win this series and win it all, "sixringz1-sixfinalsMVPs" will be waiting in the wings:D

being an alum i must say he's a great coach, but was an average, AT BEST, recruiter and that's why they weren't a top 10 progam every year. They had their moments, but with the talent around here it could have been better. Hopefully the next guy can recruit better. Gone are the days of getting solid players and keeping them for 4 years to develop them and having that equal championships. That 02 team was the perfect storm that comes around once a lifetime. It's all about recruiting. Calipari can't coach a lick, but he stays with a final 4 calibur program year in year out cause of his recruits

This is the first time i've watched a Lakers game from start to finish this playoffs and they are in trouble. They look old and slow.I'm not even talking about being down 2-0 in the series. I'm talking how they lost. They weren't playing lazy or playing like they don't care, which is something they tend to do from time to time, they were playing hard. They were reallyleaving it all out there and it still wasn't enough. I still won't count them out but I don't know if that's cause of them, or my lack of confidence in the team they are playing. Maybe Tyson Chandler was right, maybe these "aren't the same old Mavs"